Anyone know the specified start date of arenas? Seems Blizzard promised the items to be on par with the best PvE gear; well, I see people with 2/5 t4 and no Gladiators yet. Wonder why that is...|||the arena season starts in 2 or 3 days, go to the NPC at the arenas areas in Blades edge or Nagrand and they tell you there, theres also a npc in org who tells you how many days.
the pve gear is geared for pve while arena is geared for pvp.
while the pve gear will still be good, the bonuses etc are not quite suited for pvping.
plus i dont think the pve gear has resiliance iirc|||Quote:
well, I see people with 2/5 t4 and no Gladiators yet. Wonder why that is...
why is that?
Saturday, April 21, 2012
PVP Rewards - Nether?
I was glancing through the official site looking at the PVP rewards. I know the symbols for AV, WSG, and AB marks, but what is Nether? I don't know if that is the name for it, but it was the name of the pic when I tried to save it.
Here it is:
I'm assuming it is arena, but it could be the other 3 combined...but I just wanted to make sure before I dove into the BG's!|||Eye of the Storm, new BG with the xpac.|||Thank you Spennce!
Here it is:
I'm assuming it is arena, but it could be the other 3 combined...but I just wanted to make sure before I dove into the BG's!|||Eye of the Storm, new BG with the xpac.|||Thank you Spennce!
healers.....
Start HEALING!
don't wait for an ask.
don't let teamates die.
don't use BG for your " a chance to do something besides heal"
don't tell others "if you want a heal, roll a healer class"
JUST HEAL!|||Keep people off of me, and maybe I will.
Seriously, though, I don't think I've come across someone that can heal who doesn't do it in BGs. I've even see druids break cat form mid-fight to heal someone.
Have you ever played a healer in BGs? Most people, especially rogues, hunters, and warriors (At least to in my experience), come for us first. Its extremly difficult to heal when you're dead. I've never seen anyone try to kill someone whos attacking me, though. Then again I've never been in a pre-made, either.
Now that I think about it, I need a friend whos a hunter to lay some frost traps next to me when Im healing.|||I really enjoy healing in BGs. It's a lot more challenging than smallscale PvE, as you allways will be the one targeted. I understand why people don't want to heal in a BG with their mains if they play healers, but if you choose not to you end up being there for your own sake to some extent.
This is relative to class, spec and circumstance as allways ofc. I don't expect a 2,5k manapool feraldruid to be my personal healer, but I do get annoyed when the holypriest next to me decides to smite for 500 instead of throwing a flash heal and gets us both killed.
In the end you can't really expect people to do pug BGs for anything else than their own sake and amusement, but I'm pretty sure most people prefer winning to losing.. What I really hate is having half my AV filled up with hunters/mages just farming HKs on the way from SH to SP instead of actually going there and get it. That's a lot worse than not healing in my opinion.
I'm talking about the people that prefer walking back to eat&drink to boost their honor max and making it impossible for the ones trying to win by filling up 1/4 of the spots with a static honorfarming team. The last AV I played today had 10-15 people staying at the exact same position in front of Icewing bunker with close to no casualties. The rest of us beat alliance back to Iceblood and took SP in a few mins when the 3 first people got to offense.
I doubt those people in front were incapable of that feat if they had bothered in those 45 mins it took us to fight back (after a no GY marshall pull ofc :p ).|||I'll spare you the same comment I spare lvl 51 hunters bugging me in AV...
L2Bandage.
Seriously, unless you pay someone's $15 (or eu equiv.), you don't decide how other people play. And most people who enter the BGs are not Healers, as that's just a consistent corpse run.
Healers who do enter use the BGs to do something other than watch 40 health bars.
If you get a heal in a BG, you deserve one. If not, you'll res with full health in 30 seconds max again. That healer just got you to full health @ the cost of 0 mana. Can't be any more cost effective.|||i know half my comment was just to get discussion going.
i dont expect full heals in Bgs but once in a while.... the idea of helping the priest to get the heal later is interesting- although it really should be about the team.
playing in BGs makes u realize how important discipline and command are in the real military.|||The problem with healing in BGs.
1. Unless it�s an organized group or my group stays together healing is a pain in the a$$. Out of range.
2. Protect me
3. Don�t be a fool an rush in to the group of alli with out telling anyone, sorry but when 7 people are hitting you your going to die.
4. Healers heal in raids and instances 98% of the time. How about a break man.
5. This is important. Healers stay back and heal the group from behind. If you run in you will be out of range and the guy your trying to kill is running back now your way out of range.
Tips for healing in BGs.
1. Cycle friendly targets. Works just like tab. I change my bind to "caps lock".
2. Don�t try to be a hero stay alive and HOT everyone taking any damage.
3. Nothing says kill me more than chain heal and shields. On the other hand chain heal is great honor.
4. Find a well geared tank and get all the objectives done "av" or live with him and kill a lot of alli.
Tips for everyone to think about.
1. If you want heals roll a freaking healer.
2. Healers are not here to be your *****.
3. Yelling at people and telling them how to play is for people who are standing in the cave leaching honor.
4. Don�t be stupid and reckless because you saw a priest around.
5. As a healer I can do more damage than 75% of the DPS people in my BG group.
I don�t mean to be an a$$ but please play with you head. You can�t control others actions but you can control yours. This reply is not aimed at any one person. I'm just sharing from a healer point of view. Also a lot more people heal in BGs now that they changed honor.|||Quote:
The problem with healing in BGs.
2. Protect me
4. Healers heal in raids and instances 98% of the time. How about a break man.
1. If you want heals roll a freaking healer.
.
You made some good points - but these are the problems... one of the things i said on this thread was dont tell us to roll a healer class!|||Quote:
You made some good points - but these are the problems... one of the things i said on this thread was dont tell us to roll a healer class!
telling you to roll a healer makes you feel the same way you make others feel when you tell them to heal you. personaly i made a DPS class that can heal. just like a tank makes a DPS class that can wear plate, a rge DPS class can stelth/ stun, a hunter DPS can trap, a lock fears, a mage sheeps. i my friend can heal my self or you if i so choose.
understand there are many times i do just heal others. i love to heal at times. but i dont see you posting about those times.|||The main reason a healer wont heal you is because they simply dont feel appreciated. Showing them some love every now and then they will recipricate.
Many people play battlegrounds with tunnel vision. They seem unable to be able to look around them at there teammates while they are fighting, but instead are only fixated on the one target. If you want heals you need to always be aware exactly where your healer is at all times, are they in range?do they have someone attcking them? Do they have mana?
A good tip I find is at the start of a battleground (this works better in ab and wsg I find) look around at whos a healer. Send them a whisper saying something like "If you throw me a heal every now and then I'll do my very best to look out for you". Of course, you have to keep to your end of the bargain or else they wont keep to theres. If you are unable to save them on one or two occasions, send them a quick apology and explain why. It's a two way street. A healer who doesnt heal, teamed up with a DPS wont last 5 minutes, same as a healer who does heal teamed up with a DPS who doesnt protect him. But if they are both looking out for each other they will be a devastating unstoppable force.|||Newsflash - Healers DO heal in BG's. Check the score sheet if you doubt me.
Biggest reasons YOU may not be getting a heal (and by YOU I mean everyone who's in BG's and felt they should have had a heal) are:
1. I'm out of mana
2. I'm dead
3. You are OUT OF RANGE
4. You are getting beat up by 5 people. No amount of healing is going to save you.
5. I'm getting beat up on and NOBODY is looking out for me. My bacon gets saved before yours.
6. Shields do have a cooldown, so saying, "You should have shielded me, nub" gets you no bonus marks if I've already used my shield recently.
7. HEALS TAKE TIME TO CAST, even Flash Heals take time
8. It's no fun to heal 100% of the time, so give me a break if I want to get one or two killing blows with SW:P or Smite. They pale in comparison to your 10-50 KB's per game, so suck it up. You'll res at full health in 30 seconds or less.
9. And everything I have has a global cooldown, so if I've just cast an instant renew, I have to wait 1.5 secs before I can cast again.
So if you want a heal and aren't getting one, get some combat potions and bandages. Or pull out of combat and eat. I have to pull out of combat to drink so I can heal you. And don't ask for a heal. If you are in range, I already know that you need a heal with my nifty mod. There are (9/14/39) other people in the battleground that I may have placed on a higher priority than you and also need my heals.
don't wait for an ask.
don't let teamates die.
don't use BG for your " a chance to do something besides heal"
don't tell others "if you want a heal, roll a healer class"
JUST HEAL!|||Keep people off of me, and maybe I will.
Seriously, though, I don't think I've come across someone that can heal who doesn't do it in BGs. I've even see druids break cat form mid-fight to heal someone.
Have you ever played a healer in BGs? Most people, especially rogues, hunters, and warriors (At least to in my experience), come for us first. Its extremly difficult to heal when you're dead. I've never seen anyone try to kill someone whos attacking me, though. Then again I've never been in a pre-made, either.
Now that I think about it, I need a friend whos a hunter to lay some frost traps next to me when Im healing.|||I really enjoy healing in BGs. It's a lot more challenging than smallscale PvE, as you allways will be the one targeted. I understand why people don't want to heal in a BG with their mains if they play healers, but if you choose not to you end up being there for your own sake to some extent.
This is relative to class, spec and circumstance as allways ofc. I don't expect a 2,5k manapool feraldruid to be my personal healer, but I do get annoyed when the holypriest next to me decides to smite for 500 instead of throwing a flash heal and gets us both killed.
In the end you can't really expect people to do pug BGs for anything else than their own sake and amusement, but I'm pretty sure most people prefer winning to losing.. What I really hate is having half my AV filled up with hunters/mages just farming HKs on the way from SH to SP instead of actually going there and get it. That's a lot worse than not healing in my opinion.
I'm talking about the people that prefer walking back to eat&drink to boost their honor max and making it impossible for the ones trying to win by filling up 1/4 of the spots with a static honorfarming team. The last AV I played today had 10-15 people staying at the exact same position in front of Icewing bunker with close to no casualties. The rest of us beat alliance back to Iceblood and took SP in a few mins when the 3 first people got to offense.
I doubt those people in front were incapable of that feat if they had bothered in those 45 mins it took us to fight back (after a no GY marshall pull ofc :p ).|||I'll spare you the same comment I spare lvl 51 hunters bugging me in AV...
L2Bandage.
Seriously, unless you pay someone's $15 (or eu equiv.), you don't decide how other people play. And most people who enter the BGs are not Healers, as that's just a consistent corpse run.
Healers who do enter use the BGs to do something other than watch 40 health bars.
If you get a heal in a BG, you deserve one. If not, you'll res with full health in 30 seconds max again. That healer just got you to full health @ the cost of 0 mana. Can't be any more cost effective.|||i know half my comment was just to get discussion going.
i dont expect full heals in Bgs but once in a while.... the idea of helping the priest to get the heal later is interesting- although it really should be about the team.
playing in BGs makes u realize how important discipline and command are in the real military.|||The problem with healing in BGs.
1. Unless it�s an organized group or my group stays together healing is a pain in the a$$. Out of range.
2. Protect me
3. Don�t be a fool an rush in to the group of alli with out telling anyone, sorry but when 7 people are hitting you your going to die.
4. Healers heal in raids and instances 98% of the time. How about a break man.
5. This is important. Healers stay back and heal the group from behind. If you run in you will be out of range and the guy your trying to kill is running back now your way out of range.
Tips for healing in BGs.
1. Cycle friendly targets. Works just like tab. I change my bind to "caps lock".
2. Don�t try to be a hero stay alive and HOT everyone taking any damage.
3. Nothing says kill me more than chain heal and shields. On the other hand chain heal is great honor.
4. Find a well geared tank and get all the objectives done "av" or live with him and kill a lot of alli.
Tips for everyone to think about.
1. If you want heals roll a freaking healer.
2. Healers are not here to be your *****.
3. Yelling at people and telling them how to play is for people who are standing in the cave leaching honor.
4. Don�t be stupid and reckless because you saw a priest around.
5. As a healer I can do more damage than 75% of the DPS people in my BG group.
I don�t mean to be an a$$ but please play with you head. You can�t control others actions but you can control yours. This reply is not aimed at any one person. I'm just sharing from a healer point of view. Also a lot more people heal in BGs now that they changed honor.|||Quote:
The problem with healing in BGs.
2. Protect me
4. Healers heal in raids and instances 98% of the time. How about a break man.
1. If you want heals roll a freaking healer.
.
You made some good points - but these are the problems... one of the things i said on this thread was dont tell us to roll a healer class!|||Quote:
You made some good points - but these are the problems... one of the things i said on this thread was dont tell us to roll a healer class!
telling you to roll a healer makes you feel the same way you make others feel when you tell them to heal you. personaly i made a DPS class that can heal. just like a tank makes a DPS class that can wear plate, a rge DPS class can stelth/ stun, a hunter DPS can trap, a lock fears, a mage sheeps. i my friend can heal my self or you if i so choose.
understand there are many times i do just heal others. i love to heal at times. but i dont see you posting about those times.|||The main reason a healer wont heal you is because they simply dont feel appreciated. Showing them some love every now and then they will recipricate.
Many people play battlegrounds with tunnel vision. They seem unable to be able to look around them at there teammates while they are fighting, but instead are only fixated on the one target. If you want heals you need to always be aware exactly where your healer is at all times, are they in range?do they have someone attcking them? Do they have mana?
A good tip I find is at the start of a battleground (this works better in ab and wsg I find) look around at whos a healer. Send them a whisper saying something like "If you throw me a heal every now and then I'll do my very best to look out for you". Of course, you have to keep to your end of the bargain or else they wont keep to theres. If you are unable to save them on one or two occasions, send them a quick apology and explain why. It's a two way street. A healer who doesnt heal, teamed up with a DPS wont last 5 minutes, same as a healer who does heal teamed up with a DPS who doesnt protect him. But if they are both looking out for each other they will be a devastating unstoppable force.|||Newsflash - Healers DO heal in BG's. Check the score sheet if you doubt me.
Biggest reasons YOU may not be getting a heal (and by YOU I mean everyone who's in BG's and felt they should have had a heal) are:
1. I'm out of mana
2. I'm dead
3. You are OUT OF RANGE
4. You are getting beat up by 5 people. No amount of healing is going to save you.
5. I'm getting beat up on and NOBODY is looking out for me. My bacon gets saved before yours.
6. Shields do have a cooldown, so saying, "You should have shielded me, nub" gets you no bonus marks if I've already used my shield recently.
7. HEALS TAKE TIME TO CAST, even Flash Heals take time
8. It's no fun to heal 100% of the time, so give me a break if I want to get one or two killing blows with SW:P or Smite. They pale in comparison to your 10-50 KB's per game, so suck it up. You'll res at full health in 30 seconds or less.
9. And everything I have has a global cooldown, so if I've just cast an instant renew, I have to wait 1.5 secs before I can cast again.
So if you want a heal and aren't getting one, get some combat potions and bandages. Or pull out of combat and eat. I have to pull out of combat to drink so I can heal you. And don't ask for a heal. If you are in range, I already know that you need a heal with my nifty mod. There are (9/14/39) other people in the battleground that I may have placed on a higher priority than you and also need my heals.
Any hints/tip for Arena and EotS ?
Hain't played those yet and will likely step into them shortly.
Rather not go completely unprepared as I'm sure it'll be a hassle as is to get used to the new abilities granted over the past 10 levels.
Rather not go completely unprepared as I'm sure it'll be a hassle as is to get used to the new abilities granted over the past 10 levels.
Priests and honor in the BG
Okay, so I've been wondering for some time now, why is it that on some days I can pull 20 kills with 300 honor and others 80 kills with only 115 honor. (Not counting the special wkends) Blows my mind. I talked to one higher priest that told me to DoT everything (i.e. SW:Pain, Holy Fire, etc.) Alright, not bad, it helps alot. Does the damage still count after I die...becuase I do, usually quite fast...and exactly how much honor do heals count as if any? I'd really like to start getting my epic BG gear soo, ya know?|||I don't think you get any honor after you die, no matter how much damage you did to the target.|||Quote:
I don't think you get any honor after you die, no matter how much damage you did to the target.
agree...You don't get kill honor for things that die while you are dead. You DO get objective honor for things that happen while you are dead.|||Quote:
I don't think you get any honor after you die, no matter how much damage you did to the target.
I'm not so sure this is exactly correct. I can't remember where, but I'm pretty sure there was a blue post somewhere that fully explained the honor gained after you die. In short, if I remember correctly, it went something like this:
1. If you do any healing to a friendly character while he's engaged in combat with the enemy, when the enemy dies you will gain honor from the kill.
2. If you do any damage to the enemy, you will gain honor from the kill.
3. If you DIE before the enemy is killed, there is a 1 minute grace period. If the enemy dies before the 1 minute is up after you die, and you have either healed a friendly player engaged in that enemy or have done damage to that enemy, you will gain honor from that kill.
Basicly from what I got out of it was, if you die, your efforts are not wasted. If that guy dies within 1 minute, you get your honor. This way, cloth weaeres (who usually die the fastest, due to being the eaisest to kill) can still get good honor, all they have to do is AoE, DoT or heal. Now, keep in mind there is a one minute limit. You can't just run into a enemy group, AoE (Arcane blast for mages) Die, then expect a ton of Honor. If that group stays alive for 1 minute, then you've died for nothing.
I believe this to be true from my own expirences. I've played my Mage in the BG's (and died very often) But, as I try to AoE when I can, I know I've tagged a lot of people, After I've died and waiting in the GY I've seen the "Youv'e gained XX Honor for YYY being Killed" message, WHILE I'M DEAD.|||I wish someone could explain this clearly then.
I receive much more honor playing a dps char as opposed to a healing char.
If the honor is based off damage done, it is broken IMO.|||I have to agree. I get a fraction of the honour from a BG with my priest compared to my hunter.
While we're talking about ripoffs in the BG honour distribution... Why the hell is defense so badly gimped as well? The other day in AB, I was holding a node by myself while the rest of the team was raking up honour kills without me. Three times I defended the node from attacks and saved definite losses and ended the BG with a grand total of 12 HKs... Compared to those on attack who left with 50+.|||I've done some more research on this. If your interested, there is a FAQ page on the Official WOW page that addresses these questions and many more about honor in the BG's.
Seeing as how I'm at work right now, I can't access that site, but from what I remember reading the other day was this:
Honor is divided up just like experience. If your'e in a party out in the world and are killing Mobs, those in the party that are WITHIN a certain radius will get a portion of the experience from the killed Mob. If your too far away from the party, you will get NO experiance. Honor works the same way. You have to be around your party to gain honor from kills other people in your party have accomplished.
Now, I see this happeneing a lot when I go into the BG's. I always look at my minimap and see where the "yellow and blue" dots are. (those in my party) I always try to stay close to as many as I can. The problem that I see all the time is that my "Party" is usually scattered all over the map. They are not doing anything wrong persay. They are probably just hanging around another friendly group of people. The problem is, if there are 2 or 3 groups of people, all over the map, then the chances are that 1 of your party memebrs is in EACH group.
From this, I have deduced that few people are aware of how Honor is distrubuted. I firmly believe that most people assume that as long as they are next to other friendly people, that they will automaticly get honor from there kills. This is not the case, You can only get honor from another groups kills if you help contribute to what they were killing.
So lets use this as an example, lets say you are next to a group of 4 people. So there are 5 people in your immediate area, (you and the other 4) but NONE of them are in your "Party". Lets say that this group (including you) is engaged in battle with a group of 5 from the opposing faction. A 5 on 5 fight. You (pick a class) assist, either by healing or damage, in killing only ONE of the enemy. The group your next too is successful in finishing off the remaining 4, but you did not contribute to there deaths. You would only get honor for the 1 death, not all 5.
Now lets use the same situation, but the group your'e next too also is the "Party" your'e in. You would get honor from all 5 kills.
So this might help explain the OP. if you get 20 Kills with 300 honor one day, the 80 kills with only 115 honor then next. It might be partially because the first day, you where fighting more closey to your "Party" or memebrs in your "party". and as such, were recieving Honor from there kills as well. Also, keep in mind that Honor deterirates from players you kill in the same day. So, the first time you kill a player in that day, you gain 100% of the honor from that kill. but any more kills on the same player are scaled down by 10% every time you kill that player in the same day. So after killing the same player 10 times in one day, you gain NO honor from that kill. This is designed to deter people from killing the same player over and over again, all day.
From what I read on the FAQ page, this is how I understand it.
~~~ Also, I've confirmed on that same page, that YES you do gain honor after you die, AS LONG AS that person dies within 1 minute from the last time you did damage to him. If he/she survives for longer then 1 minute after you did damage, then your out of luck :( ~~~~~~~~~|||Ohhh...now that explains alot. very cool and great job doing your research. Dunno why I didn't think to do the same. lol. Very helpful Milq.
I don't think you get any honor after you die, no matter how much damage you did to the target.
agree...You don't get kill honor for things that die while you are dead. You DO get objective honor for things that happen while you are dead.|||Quote:
I don't think you get any honor after you die, no matter how much damage you did to the target.
I'm not so sure this is exactly correct. I can't remember where, but I'm pretty sure there was a blue post somewhere that fully explained the honor gained after you die. In short, if I remember correctly, it went something like this:
1. If you do any healing to a friendly character while he's engaged in combat with the enemy, when the enemy dies you will gain honor from the kill.
2. If you do any damage to the enemy, you will gain honor from the kill.
3. If you DIE before the enemy is killed, there is a 1 minute grace period. If the enemy dies before the 1 minute is up after you die, and you have either healed a friendly player engaged in that enemy or have done damage to that enemy, you will gain honor from that kill.
Basicly from what I got out of it was, if you die, your efforts are not wasted. If that guy dies within 1 minute, you get your honor. This way, cloth weaeres (who usually die the fastest, due to being the eaisest to kill) can still get good honor, all they have to do is AoE, DoT or heal. Now, keep in mind there is a one minute limit. You can't just run into a enemy group, AoE (Arcane blast for mages) Die, then expect a ton of Honor. If that group stays alive for 1 minute, then you've died for nothing.
I believe this to be true from my own expirences. I've played my Mage in the BG's (and died very often) But, as I try to AoE when I can, I know I've tagged a lot of people, After I've died and waiting in the GY I've seen the "Youv'e gained XX Honor for YYY being Killed" message, WHILE I'M DEAD.|||I wish someone could explain this clearly then.
I receive much more honor playing a dps char as opposed to a healing char.
If the honor is based off damage done, it is broken IMO.|||I have to agree. I get a fraction of the honour from a BG with my priest compared to my hunter.
While we're talking about ripoffs in the BG honour distribution... Why the hell is defense so badly gimped as well? The other day in AB, I was holding a node by myself while the rest of the team was raking up honour kills without me. Three times I defended the node from attacks and saved definite losses and ended the BG with a grand total of 12 HKs... Compared to those on attack who left with 50+.|||I've done some more research on this. If your interested, there is a FAQ page on the Official WOW page that addresses these questions and many more about honor in the BG's.
Seeing as how I'm at work right now, I can't access that site, but from what I remember reading the other day was this:
Honor is divided up just like experience. If your'e in a party out in the world and are killing Mobs, those in the party that are WITHIN a certain radius will get a portion of the experience from the killed Mob. If your too far away from the party, you will get NO experiance. Honor works the same way. You have to be around your party to gain honor from kills other people in your party have accomplished.
Now, I see this happeneing a lot when I go into the BG's. I always look at my minimap and see where the "yellow and blue" dots are. (those in my party) I always try to stay close to as many as I can. The problem that I see all the time is that my "Party" is usually scattered all over the map. They are not doing anything wrong persay. They are probably just hanging around another friendly group of people. The problem is, if there are 2 or 3 groups of people, all over the map, then the chances are that 1 of your party memebrs is in EACH group.
From this, I have deduced that few people are aware of how Honor is distrubuted. I firmly believe that most people assume that as long as they are next to other friendly people, that they will automaticly get honor from there kills. This is not the case, You can only get honor from another groups kills if you help contribute to what they were killing.
So lets use this as an example, lets say you are next to a group of 4 people. So there are 5 people in your immediate area, (you and the other 4) but NONE of them are in your "Party". Lets say that this group (including you) is engaged in battle with a group of 5 from the opposing faction. A 5 on 5 fight. You (pick a class) assist, either by healing or damage, in killing only ONE of the enemy. The group your next too is successful in finishing off the remaining 4, but you did not contribute to there deaths. You would only get honor for the 1 death, not all 5.
Now lets use the same situation, but the group your'e next too also is the "Party" your'e in. You would get honor from all 5 kills.
So this might help explain the OP. if you get 20 Kills with 300 honor one day, the 80 kills with only 115 honor then next. It might be partially because the first day, you where fighting more closey to your "Party" or memebrs in your "party". and as such, were recieving Honor from there kills as well. Also, keep in mind that Honor deterirates from players you kill in the same day. So, the first time you kill a player in that day, you gain 100% of the honor from that kill. but any more kills on the same player are scaled down by 10% every time you kill that player in the same day. So after killing the same player 10 times in one day, you gain NO honor from that kill. This is designed to deter people from killing the same player over and over again, all day.
From what I read on the FAQ page, this is how I understand it.
~~~ Also, I've confirmed on that same page, that YES you do gain honor after you die, AS LONG AS that person dies within 1 minute from the last time you did damage to him. If he/she survives for longer then 1 minute after you did damage, then your out of luck :( ~~~~~~~~~|||Ohhh...now that explains alot. very cool and great job doing your research. Dunno why I didn't think to do the same. lol. Very helpful Milq.
Battle grounds
I think battle grounds should be just pvp however in AV there are creatures. Now i have played AV a few times and seen lvl 51s getting killed by these lvl 52 goats/rambs
So i was just wondering if you think BGs should be pure pvp?|||I totally agree. I've done heaps of WSG and AB, but I did AV once and gave up.
I was in AV for a good 10 minutes before I met any "opposition", which turned out to be NPCs and gave no HK... I was expecting a 40 man slaughter-fest (sigh).
But then again if they remove AV, Alliance will never win anything...|||Why take the best grinding spot from 51-54 out of the game?
Nah, I loved AV. Sure, there may not be as many pvp encounters as in the others, but it still is a raiding experience for players that don't raid. And it does kind of combine raiding with PVP. Nothing is more epic than taking out the main tank for the final encounter only to see your general take out every healer in the room, and sub sequentially, every body else.|||ive always been a fan of AV, even back when it really was a NPC fest.
if you think its npc filled now, its nothing like what it used to be..
plus if they removed all the npcs what would be the objective, since to win you have to kill the boss npc.
i always felt that AV should have that epic battle feel, which it used to have when there was lots of npc, as well as the 40 opponants.
at least onmy server we had some great battle pre linked BG, remember abattle that went on days on end.
Av now is just a race to the opponants boss, thats worse then the npc fest imo.
of course the epic battles are not honor efficient in the way its rated now.|||I think by design the AV BG is simply awfull. You got your 10 man WSG; Three entrance to base and a large field to maneouver in. Then the 15 man AB, again lots of different approaches and ways around to any place. Then comes the grand finale, Blizz makes a 40 man BG and apparently thinks; Lets make a long narrow line so both sides will be stuck forever... And they did.
I played around in 51-60 AV a few games recently and its a sad story now. I was overoptimistically hoping I could grind one of the warlords twohanders before heading to Outlands. Took me an hour to settle with; well at least I want Don Julio before I leave this chaos. Another hour and I was there because I needed the last honor for my PvP trinket.
It`s a 25 vs 25 now in my group, levels from 51 to 60, with most nearer 51. These small raids of people who dont know AV can hardly take down a 63 elite like Drekk or Van even if there weren`t an opposing faction there. So its a huge frustration running around seeing these small skirmishes here and there and not knowing if the game is even gonna finish within the next hours or days or whatever.|||I liked the PTR AV's back when they were doing the talent updates and gave us premades. The Allies and Horde never went past each other, and they fought to the death no matter what. I will admit, with the way things are now, that is just a waste of time, since they changed how much honor you get for each AV. But those were fun, full-filled events. There you could really see who was better then who, ie. who was the better healer in the group, who was the better mage, tank, rogue, hunter, etc. just by watching. I liked those AV's, back when the old system was in place. Now its better just to advance, have 15 min avs and get into another. Sad, sad times.|||Quote:
It`s a 25 vs 25 now in my group, levels from 51 to 60, with most nearer 51. These small raids of people who dont know AV can hardly take down a 63 elite like Drekk or Van even if there weren`t an opposing faction there. So its a huge frustration running around seeing these small skirmishes here and there and not knowing if the game is even gonna finish within the next hours or days or whatever.
it wasnt much better in AV 61-70 when i was last in, think it was around 15-20 either side, while we managed to take down Belinda- who is a lot tougher now- but alliance wiped time and time again on Galvanger.
untill the games get back to 40-40 its not going to be worth going, since getting the marks, your only hope is that everyone afks out so the game has to end.|||Next thing you know, you will say remove the ponds so i cant fish there anymore :P|||Yes but you cant die in fishing can you and im just sticking up for all the low lvls that get killed by goats when there trying to play a battle ground. Blizzard should atleast make it so you get attacked by them when you attack them not when you get close to them. Im still gona do AV but its just for the black war mount and pvp epic armor.|||im glad i still have a whole bunch of AV marks from pre TBC, means i wont have to go in there that often.
So i was just wondering if you think BGs should be pure pvp?|||I totally agree. I've done heaps of WSG and AB, but I did AV once and gave up.
I was in AV for a good 10 minutes before I met any "opposition", which turned out to be NPCs and gave no HK... I was expecting a 40 man slaughter-fest (sigh).
But then again if they remove AV, Alliance will never win anything...|||Why take the best grinding spot from 51-54 out of the game?
Nah, I loved AV. Sure, there may not be as many pvp encounters as in the others, but it still is a raiding experience for players that don't raid. And it does kind of combine raiding with PVP. Nothing is more epic than taking out the main tank for the final encounter only to see your general take out every healer in the room, and sub sequentially, every body else.|||ive always been a fan of AV, even back when it really was a NPC fest.
if you think its npc filled now, its nothing like what it used to be..
plus if they removed all the npcs what would be the objective, since to win you have to kill the boss npc.
i always felt that AV should have that epic battle feel, which it used to have when there was lots of npc, as well as the 40 opponants.
at least onmy server we had some great battle pre linked BG, remember abattle that went on days on end.
Av now is just a race to the opponants boss, thats worse then the npc fest imo.
of course the epic battles are not honor efficient in the way its rated now.|||I think by design the AV BG is simply awfull. You got your 10 man WSG; Three entrance to base and a large field to maneouver in. Then the 15 man AB, again lots of different approaches and ways around to any place. Then comes the grand finale, Blizz makes a 40 man BG and apparently thinks; Lets make a long narrow line so both sides will be stuck forever... And they did.
I played around in 51-60 AV a few games recently and its a sad story now. I was overoptimistically hoping I could grind one of the warlords twohanders before heading to Outlands. Took me an hour to settle with; well at least I want Don Julio before I leave this chaos. Another hour and I was there because I needed the last honor for my PvP trinket.
It`s a 25 vs 25 now in my group, levels from 51 to 60, with most nearer 51. These small raids of people who dont know AV can hardly take down a 63 elite like Drekk or Van even if there weren`t an opposing faction there. So its a huge frustration running around seeing these small skirmishes here and there and not knowing if the game is even gonna finish within the next hours or days or whatever.|||I liked the PTR AV's back when they were doing the talent updates and gave us premades. The Allies and Horde never went past each other, and they fought to the death no matter what. I will admit, with the way things are now, that is just a waste of time, since they changed how much honor you get for each AV. But those were fun, full-filled events. There you could really see who was better then who, ie. who was the better healer in the group, who was the better mage, tank, rogue, hunter, etc. just by watching. I liked those AV's, back when the old system was in place. Now its better just to advance, have 15 min avs and get into another. Sad, sad times.|||Quote:
It`s a 25 vs 25 now in my group, levels from 51 to 60, with most nearer 51. These small raids of people who dont know AV can hardly take down a 63 elite like Drekk or Van even if there weren`t an opposing faction there. So its a huge frustration running around seeing these small skirmishes here and there and not knowing if the game is even gonna finish within the next hours or days or whatever.
it wasnt much better in AV 61-70 when i was last in, think it was around 15-20 either side, while we managed to take down Belinda- who is a lot tougher now- but alliance wiped time and time again on Galvanger.
untill the games get back to 40-40 its not going to be worth going, since getting the marks, your only hope is that everyone afks out so the game has to end.|||Next thing you know, you will say remove the ponds so i cant fish there anymore :P|||Yes but you cant die in fishing can you and im just sticking up for all the low lvls that get killed by goats when there trying to play a battle ground. Blizzard should atleast make it so you get attacked by them when you attack them not when you get close to them. Im still gona do AV but its just for the black war mount and pvp epic armor.|||im glad i still have a whole bunch of AV marks from pre TBC, means i wont have to go in there that often.
exp for BG marks?
someone told me you can turn in BG marks for exp. Is this true? can you lvl by just doing BGs? if it does exist, where do you turn them in and how much exp do you get for each one?|||You used to be able to turn in 3 tokens for some XP and rep with the faction you were fighting for. I believe this doesn't exist any more.|||Yeah i have only just started playing bg again and before you could trade in 3 mark but i dont think it exist anymore....i think and i think here that u keep them and u trade them in for unique weapons :D and armour and soo on
Arena Points?
Does anyone know how many Arena points a victory or loss will give you? Or if there is more to it than that.|||I do not know how it works exactly, but it isn't like a BG where you win a fight or make a kill and get x pionts. It is a rating based system. It is designed to reward the players that win on a consistant basis, not who play ungodly hours (ie highwarlords and GMs). So you have a better shot of moving up if you only play 10 games and win 8 than if you play 100 and win 80. Same odds, but less credit. I could be totally wrong, but thats what I have gathered.|||I looked into this a bit. You start off with a rating of 1500 if you lose or win your rating goes down or up respectively. You need to do a minimum of 10 games to qualify to be ranked and gain arena points for that week. Basically under 1500 rating you get those many arena points each week I believe, if you rating is >1500 it goes from a linear function to a logarithmic function instead, the formula is posted on the website.
You can be on a 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5 at the same time, but you only get points for the team with the highest rating. For a 2v2 team it cost 80 gp so its a initial start up fee of 40g per player and 10 matches thereafter a week to get 1 decent epic item every 2-3 weeks which seems like a pretty good deal to me. Since most epic items cost from 1875-3500 arena points.
So I am not sure how disbanding your team in the middle of the week to create a new one will work if you had a bad rating with the previous team and want to start all over again. But overall it seems like a great way to get some very nice epic items without having to raid which is very appealing to me and also you find out who is actually good in pvp rather than who just has the most time on there hands.|||Bump, curious about this too. Im curious as too the rating vs arena rewards.|||Every win you get you will recieve points for it on Tuesday. Now how many points you will recieve (I dont have a clue as to exactly how many) is subject to your rating. For Example: a group with 50 wins for the week with a rating of 2000 will get substantialy more points that a group with 50 wins at a 1300 rating.
You will be paired with a group that is near your rating (we have battled the same exact group 3 times in a row and we were one time in arena battle #72 in 2v2) so the better and higher your rating the better oposition you face. I know this is not always the case because most of the time we gain/loose anywhere from 12 to 17 rating points per win/loss, we faced this Warlock/Priest combo and lost only 2 rating points, so im guessg they were in the 2000 elo rating, alot better than we were for sure. (this is like the Elo chess rating system...to better understand just Google>Chess/Elo) why we were paired with them I dont know. But on wow forum it states you will face oposition within the same rating.
Given my observations you will get rewarded for playing alot as well but the teams with a higher Elo rating will no doubt rack up on arena points alot faster.
You can be on a 2v2, 3v3, and 5v5 at the same time, but you only get points for the team with the highest rating. For a 2v2 team it cost 80 gp so its a initial start up fee of 40g per player and 10 matches thereafter a week to get 1 decent epic item every 2-3 weeks which seems like a pretty good deal to me. Since most epic items cost from 1875-3500 arena points.
So I am not sure how disbanding your team in the middle of the week to create a new one will work if you had a bad rating with the previous team and want to start all over again. But overall it seems like a great way to get some very nice epic items without having to raid which is very appealing to me and also you find out who is actually good in pvp rather than who just has the most time on there hands.|||Bump, curious about this too. Im curious as too the rating vs arena rewards.|||Every win you get you will recieve points for it on Tuesday. Now how many points you will recieve (I dont have a clue as to exactly how many) is subject to your rating. For Example: a group with 50 wins for the week with a rating of 2000 will get substantialy more points that a group with 50 wins at a 1300 rating.
You will be paired with a group that is near your rating (we have battled the same exact group 3 times in a row and we were one time in arena battle #72 in 2v2) so the better and higher your rating the better oposition you face. I know this is not always the case because most of the time we gain/loose anywhere from 12 to 17 rating points per win/loss, we faced this Warlock/Priest combo and lost only 2 rating points, so im guessg they were in the 2000 elo rating, alot better than we were for sure. (this is like the Elo chess rating system...to better understand just Google>Chess/Elo) why we were paired with them I dont know. But on wow forum it states you will face oposition within the same rating.
Given my observations you will get rewarded for playing alot as well but the teams with a higher Elo rating will no doubt rack up on arena points alot faster.
Where do you spend your winnings?
I was just wondering where you purchase battle armor?
Also, since I am new, does honor count toward a purchase, or just the tokens you recieve?
Where do you see your total honor, if needed to purchase?
Thanks|||Are you Horde or Alliance? - it matters
For second question - yes, Honor as well as tokens are needed for "most" rewards.
3rd, go to character screen, PvP tab, (or press H on keyboard) that page shows total honor remaining at the top. This is only updated once per day at late night so any honor you have earned that day won't be shown until the next day.|||Thanks...I am alliance
I found some place to buy stuff near S7...but they seem like hig-levelled items. Is there another place to spend your winnings for a character thats able to wear/weild at level 27?|||You must travel to the Silverwing outpost in Ashenvale. I f you go through Astranaar heading east you will come to a road that heads directly south. Head south and on the right hand side of the road you'll find the outpost . Just a tiny bit south of that is the entrance to WSG and a vendor to cash in all your honor and tokens.|||Thanks...I jknow exactly where your speaking about!|||Quote:
You must travel to the Silverwing outpost in Ashenvale. I f you go through Astranaar heading east you will come to a road that heads directly south. Head south and on the right hand side of the road you'll find the outpost . Just a tiny bit south of that is the entrance to WSG and a vendor to cash in all your honor and tokens.
Would you know where to go for Horde?|||For Horde points (WSG) Go north from Crossroads in the Barrens, as north as you can go basically while still being in the Barrens. It's slightly up a hill and west of the road at the top of the in game map.|||and to squeeze more info from you guys, how much honor points do you need before you can get any of these rewards?
Im at 29 with one of my toons and want to grind out some honor before heading to my low 30's where Ill be useless in BG's until mid 30's.|||You can browse the rather extensive list of rewards here on the official site.|||The best thing to buy, when you are in the 20s are the trinkets, as you will not get an in-game trinket until high 30s.
As a level 28 Warlock I have the Stamina trinket and am going for the fear/charm removal one.
GM12
Also, since I am new, does honor count toward a purchase, or just the tokens you recieve?
Where do you see your total honor, if needed to purchase?
Thanks|||Are you Horde or Alliance? - it matters
For second question - yes, Honor as well as tokens are needed for "most" rewards.
3rd, go to character screen, PvP tab, (or press H on keyboard) that page shows total honor remaining at the top. This is only updated once per day at late night so any honor you have earned that day won't be shown until the next day.|||Thanks...I am alliance
I found some place to buy stuff near S7...but they seem like hig-levelled items. Is there another place to spend your winnings for a character thats able to wear/weild at level 27?|||You must travel to the Silverwing outpost in Ashenvale. I f you go through Astranaar heading east you will come to a road that heads directly south. Head south and on the right hand side of the road you'll find the outpost . Just a tiny bit south of that is the entrance to WSG and a vendor to cash in all your honor and tokens.|||Thanks...I jknow exactly where your speaking about!|||Quote:
You must travel to the Silverwing outpost in Ashenvale. I f you go through Astranaar heading east you will come to a road that heads directly south. Head south and on the right hand side of the road you'll find the outpost . Just a tiny bit south of that is the entrance to WSG and a vendor to cash in all your honor and tokens.
Would you know where to go for Horde?|||For Horde points (WSG) Go north from Crossroads in the Barrens, as north as you can go basically while still being in the Barrens. It's slightly up a hill and west of the road at the top of the in game map.|||and to squeeze more info from you guys, how much honor points do you need before you can get any of these rewards?
Im at 29 with one of my toons and want to grind out some honor before heading to my low 30's where Ill be useless in BG's until mid 30's.|||You can browse the rather extensive list of rewards here on the official site.|||The best thing to buy, when you are in the 20s are the trinkets, as you will not get an in-game trinket until high 30s.
As a level 28 Warlock I have the Stamina trinket and am going for the fear/charm removal one.
GM12
level 70 pvp gear
I just checked it out last night. Is it just me or does this gear suck? I already have better crap from 5man instances.|||Quote:
I just checked it out last night. Is it just me or does this gear suck? I already have better crap from 5man instances.
Even the epics seem lack to me.|||I think the arena gear is pretty sweet. The spellblade had +187 spell damage, I don't see how that sucks at all. Some of the gear for the honor system is so so. Arena gear is where its at if you want to upgrade your pvp gear.|||Quote:
I think the arena gear is pretty sweet. The spellblade had +187 spell damage, I don't see how that sucks at all. Some of the gear for the honor system is so so. Arena gear is where its at if you want to upgrade your pvp gear.
Sorry Inferna. I should have been mor specific. Yes the arena gear is sicksauce. Im talking more about the other crap like from S7 if you are alliance. Pretty much every pvp gear but the arena gear is what im talking about.
I just checked it out last night. Is it just me or does this gear suck? I already have better crap from 5man instances.
Even the epics seem lack to me.|||I think the arena gear is pretty sweet. The spellblade had +187 spell damage, I don't see how that sucks at all. Some of the gear for the honor system is so so. Arena gear is where its at if you want to upgrade your pvp gear.|||Quote:
I think the arena gear is pretty sweet. The spellblade had +187 spell damage, I don't see how that sucks at all. Some of the gear for the honor system is so so. Arena gear is where its at if you want to upgrade your pvp gear.
Sorry Inferna. I should have been mor specific. Yes the arena gear is sicksauce. Im talking more about the other crap like from S7 if you are alliance. Pretty much every pvp gear but the arena gear is what im talking about.
This is not even funny
I kinda regret starting on alliance now...One guy took the flag all the way to our base but doesnt know how to put it on. then they started calling each other noobs and comparing who got the better gears. 10min passed and he got killed and lost the flag.
GG|||Heh, I watched someone gather the flag up the other day, run out of the Horde base, Mount up and drop the flag... Weekend battlegrounds just aren't worth it most of the time! :)|||How about 4 allies standing still in the middle of WSG watching 2 or 3 hordes running along the sides and up the ramp.
Hello!!! defend the entrance anyone???|||I have found that some Alliance players join BG's just to lose as fast as possible. 1 Mark for 5-10 min loss Vs 3 Marks for 30-40 min win. You do the math the way they have, & there's your reason for seeing all the dumbasses in BG's.
Only problem with that is, when they get grouped with players who wanna win they don't have a clue & generally screw things up for those that do.|||OMFG, i have the same problem. This is why i regret making a twink and spending all that gold, i was recently in wsg and this really took the piss i was the only person trying to get some kills and get the flag, the other 10-15 people where DANCING!!!!! i nearly broke down and cried. Sometimes when im in wsg i see people arguing over whos a noob, who has the most kills, who has the best gear, this **** needs to stop sorry about my language but im fed up blizzard do something kick people.|||I wish I had fraps on when i saw that lol. but seriously, alliance loses like 70% of the time (in low lvls)|||Quote:
How about 4 allies standing still in the middle of WSG watching 2 or 3 hordes running along the sides and up the ramp.
How about 5 undead twink rogues camping the alliance GY with no one on the horde team even considering to capture the flag?
I don't know where you people have been playing, but I've never seen anything like team dancing and whatnot idiocy happen on my server(s). It's not that way everywhere.|||Usually the only time team dancing occurs in my battlegroup is when one group is hopelessly outgeared against a premade. I've been on both sides of it. There just isn't any fun in going up against a premade T3 geared team when your team is either a PuG or T1 and less. In those cases we do our best to be competitive for the first 5-10 minutes but if it proves hopless we dance in the GY and get the route over with. Showing respect to the other team by raising the white flag and letting them accumulate their honor faster... usually 3-4 members of the opposition will come dance with us (or we've gone to dance with the other team).
Never seen it in a competitive game though... now people screaming noobs and whatnot... it happens on horde side too from time to time.|||My personal pet pieve is AV on weekends, some noob convinces all the other noobs to try and cap every place and O never moves past mid field...if they are lucky they may get to galv only to be stopped there.
Granted more caps = more honor, but seriously zerg AV to FW and RH = fast win = 3 tokens and decent honor
/sigh
Anywho|||Quote:
I kinda regret starting on alliance now.
truer words have never been spoken
GG|||Heh, I watched someone gather the flag up the other day, run out of the Horde base, Mount up and drop the flag... Weekend battlegrounds just aren't worth it most of the time! :)|||How about 4 allies standing still in the middle of WSG watching 2 or 3 hordes running along the sides and up the ramp.
Hello!!! defend the entrance anyone???|||I have found that some Alliance players join BG's just to lose as fast as possible. 1 Mark for 5-10 min loss Vs 3 Marks for 30-40 min win. You do the math the way they have, & there's your reason for seeing all the dumbasses in BG's.
Only problem with that is, when they get grouped with players who wanna win they don't have a clue & generally screw things up for those that do.|||OMFG, i have the same problem. This is why i regret making a twink and spending all that gold, i was recently in wsg and this really took the piss i was the only person trying to get some kills and get the flag, the other 10-15 people where DANCING!!!!! i nearly broke down and cried. Sometimes when im in wsg i see people arguing over whos a noob, who has the most kills, who has the best gear, this **** needs to stop sorry about my language but im fed up blizzard do something kick people.|||I wish I had fraps on when i saw that lol. but seriously, alliance loses like 70% of the time (in low lvls)|||Quote:
How about 4 allies standing still in the middle of WSG watching 2 or 3 hordes running along the sides and up the ramp.
How about 5 undead twink rogues camping the alliance GY with no one on the horde team even considering to capture the flag?
I don't know where you people have been playing, but I've never seen anything like team dancing and whatnot idiocy happen on my server(s). It's not that way everywhere.|||Usually the only time team dancing occurs in my battlegroup is when one group is hopelessly outgeared against a premade. I've been on both sides of it. There just isn't any fun in going up against a premade T3 geared team when your team is either a PuG or T1 and less. In those cases we do our best to be competitive for the first 5-10 minutes but if it proves hopless we dance in the GY and get the route over with. Showing respect to the other team by raising the white flag and letting them accumulate their honor faster... usually 3-4 members of the opposition will come dance with us (or we've gone to dance with the other team).
Never seen it in a competitive game though... now people screaming noobs and whatnot... it happens on horde side too from time to time.|||My personal pet pieve is AV on weekends, some noob convinces all the other noobs to try and cap every place and O never moves past mid field...if they are lucky they may get to galv only to be stopped there.
Granted more caps = more honor, but seriously zerg AV to FW and RH = fast win = 3 tokens and decent honor
/sigh
Anywho|||Quote:
I kinda regret starting on alliance now.
truer words have never been spoken
what are the rewards for the new batleground?
I can't remember the damn name......but what are the new rewards for the addtional BG that was added for the 60+ set?|||there arent any unique items ones for Eye of the Storm. there is a neck in the PvP barracks thats eye of the storm trinket exclusive.
but the lvl 70 pvp rewards require EotS tokens.
i want rewards i have about 12 guildies who want a black war elephant!|||nice i want an elephant now !!!!!!!!
but the lvl 70 pvp rewards require EotS tokens.
i want rewards i have about 12 guildies who want a black war elephant!|||nice i want an elephant now !!!!!!!!
Battleground shop
Hi i need help.
I got low lvl char and i would like to buy equip for points of honor but i got problems finding shop where i can buy something. I'm lvl 19 and all i have seen was above 25. is that mean that there is no shop for lvl 19 ?? Can someone help me finding the shop ??|||What faction are you? If horde then the Warsong Gulch quartermaster is in the north of the barrens at the entrance of the battlegrounds. You need WSG tokens as well as honour to buy the stuff. 20 tokens for rings and amulets, and 30 for weapons.
Not sure where the alliance one is.|||Im alliance|||Shop (quartermaster) is at the Alliance WSG entrance in Ashenvale......
This is the link to the map
http://www.worldofwar.net/guides/bat...ds/warsong.php
I got low lvl char and i would like to buy equip for points of honor but i got problems finding shop where i can buy something. I'm lvl 19 and all i have seen was above 25. is that mean that there is no shop for lvl 19 ?? Can someone help me finding the shop ??|||What faction are you? If horde then the Warsong Gulch quartermaster is in the north of the barrens at the entrance of the battlegrounds. You need WSG tokens as well as honour to buy the stuff. 20 tokens for rings and amulets, and 30 for weapons.
Not sure where the alliance one is.|||Im alliance|||Shop (quartermaster) is at the Alliance WSG entrance in Ashenvale......
This is the link to the map
http://www.worldofwar.net/guides/bat...ds/warsong.php
Simple BG advice
Just wanted to vent some frustration after losing so many ABs from the alliance side and decided to offer up some "tips" and figured others could chime in as well....
Hunters:
Please do not run around the entire game with asp of cheetah on
Please do not use your pet to attack another person's pet -- it is an extension of your dps and is wasted on a non-person
Druids:
You can be feral specced and still heal when it's needed -- don't let that mana bar go to waste
I'm not trying to pick on these two classes because there are plenty of good hunters/druids out there, these just happened to be the most common things I noticed from my experiences in the 30-39 BGs.|||I'll add some of my own.
Paladins etc. :
Please cleanse 'lock dots after a battle is finished so that people don't die needlessly.
Warriors and Rogues:
Defend any priests, paladins or druids that are healing your, or someone elses sorry ass (this actually goes for everyone).
Hunters:
Please trap the flag (both in AB and WSG) and put down flares when needed.
Mages: Use your CC whenever possible, and don't use aoes when only two enemies are being fought (unless you have no other recourse but to spam AE).
That's about it, I don't really want to tell healers to heal, because I know they do enough of that in raids and instances- but if they did everyone would love them that little bit more.|||some might not agree but dont join BGs if you only meet minimum level requirements. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing a level 50 in a 50-59 BG unless you are healing. You wouldnt level your 50 toon on level 60 mobs would you? No then dont do it in BGs either. DO yourself and everyone a favor and go quest.|||Please don't attack something stuck in a freezing trap unless the hunter that laid the trap has moved well away from the trap.
God, that irritates me. I get attacked by a rogue or warrior, scatter shot and trap, and before I can move away to distance (probably have crippling poison or hamstring on me) someone attacks the trapped player. Of course, the trapped player dies, but takes me out first since I was already knocked down to 50% health before I got them trapped.|||Example - Dont join 50-59 BG's at lvl 50-52|||disagree on that point, if you dont want to fight with lower levels, dont pug.
if they want to pvp let them its there choice.
oh and i like that thinly veiled line on healers healing up top.
personally i love shadow priests, holy priests are great for the healing, but shadow priests and there free mana and health abilities are teh win|||Quote:
Hunters:
Please do not run around the entire game with asp of Pack on
Fixed.
...|||Quote:
some might not agree but dont join BGs if you only meet minimum level requirements. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing a level 50 in a 50-59 BG unless you are healing. You wouldnt level your 50 toon on level 60 mobs would you? No then dont do it in BGs either. DO yourself and everyone a favor and go quest.
I could not agree more. After priests, low level BG players are the next thing I target since they die in like 3 seconds. It would be nice if the BGs were further broken up like, for example, 30-34 and then 35-39. But I realize if blizzard did it that way that it'd be near impossible to ever get a BG started.|||Quote:
Please do not use your pet to attack another person's pet -- it is an extension of your dps and is wasted on a non-person
This is the only thing I've read so far that I do not agree with. I love killing a distracted Hunter's pet because not only does it take the Hunter out of the battle for a while it also drains their resources.
2x Waters, 1-2 Food, and a bandage just to get back to full after they die.|||Quote:
This is the only thing I've read so far that I do not agree with. I love killing a distracted Hunter's pet because not only does it take the Hunter out of the battle for a while it also drains their resources.
2x Waters, 1-2 Food, and a bandage just to get back to full after they die.
I don't see much use in killing a hunter's pet since you can kill the hunter directly and get rid of both him and his pet.
Hunters:
Please do not run around the entire game with asp of cheetah on
Please do not use your pet to attack another person's pet -- it is an extension of your dps and is wasted on a non-person
Druids:
You can be feral specced and still heal when it's needed -- don't let that mana bar go to waste
I'm not trying to pick on these two classes because there are plenty of good hunters/druids out there, these just happened to be the most common things I noticed from my experiences in the 30-39 BGs.|||I'll add some of my own.
Paladins etc. :
Please cleanse 'lock dots after a battle is finished so that people don't die needlessly.
Warriors and Rogues:
Defend any priests, paladins or druids that are healing your, or someone elses sorry ass (this actually goes for everyone).
Hunters:
Please trap the flag (both in AB and WSG) and put down flares when needed.
Mages: Use your CC whenever possible, and don't use aoes when only two enemies are being fought (unless you have no other recourse but to spam AE).
That's about it, I don't really want to tell healers to heal, because I know they do enough of that in raids and instances- but if they did everyone would love them that little bit more.|||some might not agree but dont join BGs if you only meet minimum level requirements. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing a level 50 in a 50-59 BG unless you are healing. You wouldnt level your 50 toon on level 60 mobs would you? No then dont do it in BGs either. DO yourself and everyone a favor and go quest.|||Please don't attack something stuck in a freezing trap unless the hunter that laid the trap has moved well away from the trap.
God, that irritates me. I get attacked by a rogue or warrior, scatter shot and trap, and before I can move away to distance (probably have crippling poison or hamstring on me) someone attacks the trapped player. Of course, the trapped player dies, but takes me out first since I was already knocked down to 50% health before I got them trapped.|||Example - Dont join 50-59 BG's at lvl 50-52|||disagree on that point, if you dont want to fight with lower levels, dont pug.
if they want to pvp let them its there choice.
oh and i like that thinly veiled line on healers healing up top.
personally i love shadow priests, holy priests are great for the healing, but shadow priests and there free mana and health abilities are teh win|||Quote:
Hunters:
Please do not run around the entire game with asp of Pack on
Fixed.
...|||Quote:
some might not agree but dont join BGs if you only meet minimum level requirements. Nothing pisses me off more than seeing a level 50 in a 50-59 BG unless you are healing. You wouldnt level your 50 toon on level 60 mobs would you? No then dont do it in BGs either. DO yourself and everyone a favor and go quest.
I could not agree more. After priests, low level BG players are the next thing I target since they die in like 3 seconds. It would be nice if the BGs were further broken up like, for example, 30-34 and then 35-39. But I realize if blizzard did it that way that it'd be near impossible to ever get a BG started.|||Quote:
Please do not use your pet to attack another person's pet -- it is an extension of your dps and is wasted on a non-person
This is the only thing I've read so far that I do not agree with. I love killing a distracted Hunter's pet because not only does it take the Hunter out of the battle for a while it also drains their resources.
2x Waters, 1-2 Food, and a bandage just to get back to full after they die.|||Quote:
This is the only thing I've read so far that I do not agree with. I love killing a distracted Hunter's pet because not only does it take the Hunter out of the battle for a while it also drains their resources.
2x Waters, 1-2 Food, and a bandage just to get back to full after they die.
I don't see much use in killing a hunter's pet since you can kill the hunter directly and get rid of both him and his pet.
Another class vs class BG question.
After TBC is out for a week or two, a couple of friends and I are going to make some Draenai. I'm torn between a pally and a shamen, and one of my other friends already decided hes going to make a shamen. I'm not worried about having two of the same classes in the group, so don't worry about that.
What has me torn is between the two classes comes from playing a few BGs for the first time in a long while last night. I was on my shadow priest, and shamen were owning the crap out of me. Whirlwind proc'd on me every two seconds. Without my sheild up, I was dead after a earth shock and one whirlwind proc, which went off everytime a shamen hit me. With my sheild up, I got to live an extra two seconds. Whoop-de-freakin-doo. I was browsing through their totems, which I saw that they can also give the proc to nearby friendlies. That is amazing DPS. I was surprised noone was droping those totems, though.
Now, my primary reason for playing a pally is that I would get to wear plate and have decent HP for once. The DPS output wouldn't be amazing, but my survivability would be. Coming from a cloth class, that is a major for me. I would probably be specced Holy/Ret, but only going deep enough in the tree for Blessing of Kings.
At this rate, I'll probably end up playing both for awhile, but I don't have the time for that.|||I don't see a question or anything to follow up on...
I assume you are asking which one you should play?
While shamans are god-like in the BG's, a pally will be HUGE for you and your friends come PVE time...especially instances. That is the reason why alliance were able to complete the endgames fsater than the horde.|||i dont have a shammy....but pallys are god in bgs as well, just in a different way. im holy and protection pally and i still own people, just not as fast. And i cant count the number of times where any othe class of player would have died and i survived to either keep someone else alive, capture a flag or a node. The only thing i truly liked about retribution pally when i speced that way, was the six second sleep you could put on people. that was freaking great.|||pallys own, the dps is awful but we have up to 5 lives i think(with the AB trinket rewards)...lets count 1st life of normal health, gets low and bubble, 2nd time use the AB shield trinket (im not sure if the AB trinket is unique but if its not you can have 2), 3rd time, repeat, 4th forbarance is likely over by now so use the other bubble spell, and 5th is lay on hands. So since youure looking for survivability go for the pally|||Bryant,
Tough choice to make for you, but depends on your playstyle. Do you want to heal or do you want to kill?
For me, I have several characters, one of which is a 69 Holy/Ret Paladin. And let me tell you, I have not been in one single PuG where I am not the top healer. Over other holy pally's and priests. My gear isn't all that great, just regular quest items, and 3 instance drop items, and 0 reputation items. I have +612 to healing with a 21% to crit with healing spells. 7300 HPs and 8500 Mana (no enchants on items).
My normal healing done in an AB. 140,000 healing. Ususally the next closest is at 25-40k. Many times I may have 0-2 killing blows, but have the most honorable kills.
I can't tell you how many times 2 mages and myself, 1 hunter and myself, 1 warlock and myself, etc...have not only held off a 3-5 man rush at one of the nodes, but have ended up killing all of them.
As a holy paladin you may not get many killing blows, but you will be surprised how often you will come out on top with honorable kills.
That being said, if you are a shadow priest, I assume you go into BGs wanting to roam around and kill, not so much heal. And you are looking for survivability. I would most likely go with a holy/ret or holy/prot paladin for the BGs in your case. Simply because you will already have a DPS minded character that you can switch back and forth from.
I have a 70 rogue, 69 mage, 69 pally, 67 warrior. So for me I like to switch it up between the classes depending on what I want to do...kill alot or heal alot.
One note, if you team your pally up with a good lock and a good warrior...the amount of opposition you can take on will be ludicrous at times =P.|||If your goal is to frustrate the other side to no end... go with a pally. I almost want to make a pally just carry the flag in WSG and pay back the alliance for how annoying it is to have a pally flag carrier.
What has me torn is between the two classes comes from playing a few BGs for the first time in a long while last night. I was on my shadow priest, and shamen were owning the crap out of me. Whirlwind proc'd on me every two seconds. Without my sheild up, I was dead after a earth shock and one whirlwind proc, which went off everytime a shamen hit me. With my sheild up, I got to live an extra two seconds. Whoop-de-freakin-doo. I was browsing through their totems, which I saw that they can also give the proc to nearby friendlies. That is amazing DPS. I was surprised noone was droping those totems, though.
Now, my primary reason for playing a pally is that I would get to wear plate and have decent HP for once. The DPS output wouldn't be amazing, but my survivability would be. Coming from a cloth class, that is a major for me. I would probably be specced Holy/Ret, but only going deep enough in the tree for Blessing of Kings.
At this rate, I'll probably end up playing both for awhile, but I don't have the time for that.|||I don't see a question or anything to follow up on...
I assume you are asking which one you should play?
While shamans are god-like in the BG's, a pally will be HUGE for you and your friends come PVE time...especially instances. That is the reason why alliance were able to complete the endgames fsater than the horde.|||i dont have a shammy....but pallys are god in bgs as well, just in a different way. im holy and protection pally and i still own people, just not as fast. And i cant count the number of times where any othe class of player would have died and i survived to either keep someone else alive, capture a flag or a node. The only thing i truly liked about retribution pally when i speced that way, was the six second sleep you could put on people. that was freaking great.|||pallys own, the dps is awful but we have up to 5 lives i think(with the AB trinket rewards)...lets count 1st life of normal health, gets low and bubble, 2nd time use the AB shield trinket (im not sure if the AB trinket is unique but if its not you can have 2), 3rd time, repeat, 4th forbarance is likely over by now so use the other bubble spell, and 5th is lay on hands. So since youure looking for survivability go for the pally|||Bryant,
Tough choice to make for you, but depends on your playstyle. Do you want to heal or do you want to kill?
For me, I have several characters, one of which is a 69 Holy/Ret Paladin. And let me tell you, I have not been in one single PuG where I am not the top healer. Over other holy pally's and priests. My gear isn't all that great, just regular quest items, and 3 instance drop items, and 0 reputation items. I have +612 to healing with a 21% to crit with healing spells. 7300 HPs and 8500 Mana (no enchants on items).
My normal healing done in an AB. 140,000 healing. Ususally the next closest is at 25-40k. Many times I may have 0-2 killing blows, but have the most honorable kills.
I can't tell you how many times 2 mages and myself, 1 hunter and myself, 1 warlock and myself, etc...have not only held off a 3-5 man rush at one of the nodes, but have ended up killing all of them.
As a holy paladin you may not get many killing blows, but you will be surprised how often you will come out on top with honorable kills.
That being said, if you are a shadow priest, I assume you go into BGs wanting to roam around and kill, not so much heal. And you are looking for survivability. I would most likely go with a holy/ret or holy/prot paladin for the BGs in your case. Simply because you will already have a DPS minded character that you can switch back and forth from.
I have a 70 rogue, 69 mage, 69 pally, 67 warrior. So for me I like to switch it up between the classes depending on what I want to do...kill alot or heal alot.
One note, if you team your pally up with a good lock and a good warrior...the amount of opposition you can take on will be ludicrous at times =P.|||If your goal is to frustrate the other side to no end... go with a pally. I almost want to make a pally just carry the flag in WSG and pay back the alliance for how annoying it is to have a pally flag carrier.
two-way Team Rating/Arena Points converter
Hey guys I just registered here, thought I'd say hello by posting this thing we just made due to the massive amount of threads on wow forums about arena points etc...
Here: http://oenis.movielol.org you'll find our two-way Team Rating/Arena Points converter, it's a really simple calculator.
Hope you like it.|||Thats really cool, thank you.|||Thanks, spread the word, I know a lot of people want it :) .
Here: http://oenis.movielol.org you'll find our two-way Team Rating/Arena Points converter, it's a really simple calculator.
Hope you like it.|||Thats really cool, thank you.|||Thanks, spread the word, I know a lot of people want it :) .
BG Mount question
Can i get it at lvl 49? if so can i ride it outside of BG and is it easy to get the tokens for it?|||Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to get a BG mount you needed to have 30 tokens from each BG. In order to actually ride it you will need the appropriate riding skill (and the riding skill is now the pricey one, not the mount). As far as getting all the tokens, you should be able to get 30 of each WSG and AB, but at your level you will not be able to get into a game of AV.
So no, you can't. But I would say, money pending, you could realistically have it around the mid 50's.|||So this means a warlock will have to pay for the riding skills? if so i dont think i will be getting one|||Actually I think the riding skill is somehow included in the quest chain to get your mount. I might be mistaken though.|||I didnt quest for it, just brought the skill off the trainer for 90silver|||That's for the normal mount and riding skill, the epic riding skill is required for bg mounts (I think?) and comes with lock and pally epic mount quests.|||Doesn't the epic mount riding skill require lvl 60? If not then you could get it at lvl 51 I guess, money depending. And yes you can ride it outside of the BG's.|||you must be lvl 60 for an epic mount. Yes it can be ridden either in or our of BG. I bought both my regular and epic mount from normal class vender and was able to ride either or outside and inside of BG|||The only mounts that have location dependencies are the flying mounts which can be ridden only in Outland. (not sure if the AQ mount can only be ridden there as i've never been!)|||Quote:
The only mounts that have location dependencies are the flying mounts which can be ridden only in Outland. (not sure if the AQ mount can only be ridden there as i've never been!)
I understand that the AQ mounts, with the exception of the black one (!), can only be used in AQ40.
So no, you can't. But I would say, money pending, you could realistically have it around the mid 50's.|||So this means a warlock will have to pay for the riding skills? if so i dont think i will be getting one|||Actually I think the riding skill is somehow included in the quest chain to get your mount. I might be mistaken though.|||I didnt quest for it, just brought the skill off the trainer for 90silver|||That's for the normal mount and riding skill, the epic riding skill is required for bg mounts (I think?) and comes with lock and pally epic mount quests.|||Doesn't the epic mount riding skill require lvl 60? If not then you could get it at lvl 51 I guess, money depending. And yes you can ride it outside of the BG's.|||you must be lvl 60 for an epic mount. Yes it can be ridden either in or our of BG. I bought both my regular and epic mount from normal class vender and was able to ride either or outside and inside of BG|||The only mounts that have location dependencies are the flying mounts which can be ridden only in Outland. (not sure if the AQ mount can only be ridden there as i've never been!)|||Quote:
The only mounts that have location dependencies are the flying mounts which can be ridden only in Outland. (not sure if the AQ mount can only be ridden there as i've never been!)
I understand that the AQ mounts, with the exception of the black one (!), can only be used in AQ40.
arenas are boring?
i played a few skirmishes for the first time in the arenas, and i gotta say... it was boring to me. i love pvp, and i loved AB, AV, & WSG, but the arena is just plain boring.
one of the games i played was warrior, warrior (me), warlock vs hunter, hunter, warlock... and it was just... well it was over in no time at all. and then i had to just queue up again for another skirmish right after which of course led to the same match up. booooring.
where do you go to play in the eye of the storm? i have to try that one. how many people play on each side? are there any other outland pvps?|||I find the arena awesome! my guildies and i jump on vent and come up with different strategies on how to win and what to try next. some matches are tough are some are easy. its especially fun when you hand an aliiance team their ass without losing a single player|||Join a team and start doing ranked matches and accruing arena points. Its a whole new ball game after that.|||Skirmishes are boring, lack of teamwork gets you killed. Rated teamplay is rated as the second must fun thing in WoW in my book.
First being World PvP ;D|||I find arenas to be the absolute funnest thing in the game...evar! To each his own.
I play with a real life friend of 11 years...its funny how much we hate each other when we lose...but love each other when we win. we laugh at it all the next day. Arena > WoW...if we didnt have to upgrade and have gold for enchants I dont think I would even play much regular wow.
but you for sure have to have a compatible person to play with.|||Lump me in with the original poster... Arena's are like a watered down FPS to me. Too quick ... I far prefer world pvp and BGs thus far. I'm not seeing how ranked games would change anything other than gaining arena points.
On the other hand I know that this is something that is great for a lot of players so I'm glad they've been implimented.|||Rogue, Priest Vs Hunter, Mage
Who wins?|||Quote:
Rogue, Priest Vs Hunter, Mage
Who wins?
In arena? Depends on who is the more skillful team!
Any team has a chance against any other team, some just have an easier time and others a harder time. What ensures if your team is going to win depends on your teamwork and how well you guys play your classes.|||Quote:
Rogue, Priest Vs Hunter, Mage
Who wins?
likely... hunter/mage. sheep the priest & flare... 2v1, 2v1.|||Quote:
likely... hunter/mage. sheep the priest & flare... 2v1, 2v1.
Unless the priest mind controls the mage first, or the mage got sapped, and the rogue stays away and let the priest psychic scream the hunter away from the flare for the rogue to stunlock him.
Yes, the priest/rogue is facing a uphill battle, but if they are really good, they would find ways to counter the hunter/mage.
one of the games i played was warrior, warrior (me), warlock vs hunter, hunter, warlock... and it was just... well it was over in no time at all. and then i had to just queue up again for another skirmish right after which of course led to the same match up. booooring.
where do you go to play in the eye of the storm? i have to try that one. how many people play on each side? are there any other outland pvps?|||I find the arena awesome! my guildies and i jump on vent and come up with different strategies on how to win and what to try next. some matches are tough are some are easy. its especially fun when you hand an aliiance team their ass without losing a single player|||Join a team and start doing ranked matches and accruing arena points. Its a whole new ball game after that.|||Skirmishes are boring, lack of teamwork gets you killed. Rated teamplay is rated as the second must fun thing in WoW in my book.
First being World PvP ;D|||I find arenas to be the absolute funnest thing in the game...evar! To each his own.
I play with a real life friend of 11 years...its funny how much we hate each other when we lose...but love each other when we win. we laugh at it all the next day. Arena > WoW...if we didnt have to upgrade and have gold for enchants I dont think I would even play much regular wow.
but you for sure have to have a compatible person to play with.|||Lump me in with the original poster... Arena's are like a watered down FPS to me. Too quick ... I far prefer world pvp and BGs thus far. I'm not seeing how ranked games would change anything other than gaining arena points.
On the other hand I know that this is something that is great for a lot of players so I'm glad they've been implimented.|||Rogue, Priest Vs Hunter, Mage
Who wins?|||Quote:
Rogue, Priest Vs Hunter, Mage
Who wins?
In arena? Depends on who is the more skillful team!
Any team has a chance against any other team, some just have an easier time and others a harder time. What ensures if your team is going to win depends on your teamwork and how well you guys play your classes.|||Quote:
Rogue, Priest Vs Hunter, Mage
Who wins?
likely... hunter/mage. sheep the priest & flare... 2v1, 2v1.|||Quote:
likely... hunter/mage. sheep the priest & flare... 2v1, 2v1.
Unless the priest mind controls the mage first, or the mage got sapped, and the rogue stays away and let the priest psychic scream the hunter away from the flare for the rogue to stunlock him.
Yes, the priest/rogue is facing a uphill battle, but if they are really good, they would find ways to counter the hunter/mage.
BattleGround Guide?
hey guys, is there a BG guide anywhere? ... really new to this stuff .. all i've done was that one quest in Arathy Highlands that makes u go in battle against alliance players
lol god i love PvP now ^_^ .. but need to know more about it .. as well as what u need to buy stuff and mounts|||Good to see you're searching for info. I haven't recearched EoTS or AV too much as I only ever run them for the necessary tokens to get rewards but there are some brilliant guides out there for AB and WSG.
WSG: www.myspace.com/galinth
That guide is geared towards leading a WSG premade but it is BRILLIANT regardless of your intent. I highly recommend this guide to most people I PvP with, as I do to you.
AB: http://wow.azzor.com/261/arathi_basin.php
Far less depth than galinth's guide. Short, sweet, and to the point. Not as much strat but the solid meat and bones.
For rewards there are five vendors (one being a group of vendors).
1) Warsong Outrider's - WSG (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...ong/index.html)
2) The Forsaken Defiler's - AB (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...thi/index.html)
3) Frostwolf - AV(http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...rac/index.html)
4) High warlord/Grandmarshal Vendors - Sets/Mounts etc
Go to WoW's main sight and look up sets etc. Or go to your main town and find the vendors (ORG as horde)
5) Arena vendor - Outlands vendor (level 70 only)
(http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/r...a-weapons.html)
(http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/r...ass-armor.html)
Enjoy yourself out there!
lol god i love PvP now ^_^ .. but need to know more about it .. as well as what u need to buy stuff and mounts|||Good to see you're searching for info. I haven't recearched EoTS or AV too much as I only ever run them for the necessary tokens to get rewards but there are some brilliant guides out there for AB and WSG.
WSG: www.myspace.com/galinth
That guide is geared towards leading a WSG premade but it is BRILLIANT regardless of your intent. I highly recommend this guide to most people I PvP with, as I do to you.
AB: http://wow.azzor.com/261/arathi_basin.php
Far less depth than galinth's guide. Short, sweet, and to the point. Not as much strat but the solid meat and bones.
For rewards there are five vendors (one being a group of vendors).
1) Warsong Outrider's - WSG (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...ong/index.html)
2) The Forsaken Defiler's - AB (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...thi/index.html)
3) Frostwolf - AV(http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...rac/index.html)
4) High warlord/Grandmarshal Vendors - Sets/Mounts etc
Go to WoW's main sight and look up sets etc. Or go to your main town and find the vendors (ORG as horde)
5) Arena vendor - Outlands vendor (level 70 only)
(http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/r...a-weapons.html)
(http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/pvp/r...ass-armor.html)
Enjoy yourself out there!
Battleground Noob
Hello all,
I have a few questions about the battlegrounds. As the title suggests, I have next to no experience in the BGs. First off, as a lvl 21, can I still go into WSG? From what I've read this BG seems to be for toons up to lvl 19. Have I missed out on this one? If so, the next available BG is AB right?
Next question is do I have to do anything special to enter a BG? Is there a quest or something that must be done to enter or do I just report to a battlemaster and que up?
The reason that I'm asking is because I missed out on PvP with my main, battlegrounds weren't in the game at that time, and I took an extended vacation from the game. I want to check this stuff out with my new toon.
Thanks for any help
Gloim|||WSG is borken into every 10 levels. So you ca still go there, but instead of it being the 10-19 bracket, you will be in the 20-29
You can also enter AB....which starts at levl 20 and goes (just like wsg) 20-29, 30-39, etc.
AV starts at 51 and you can do the arena whenever youw ant.
I'm not sure about this latest one.|||the Eye of the Storm was 61-69 then 70s if i recall correctly|||Not that you can't go in, but be prepared for frustration. Lower levels in the earlier two BG levels, I suppose even 30-39 are at a real big disadvantage. Folks who are specced and geared for PvP in the BG can have tons more HP than you and tend to be able to handle the fast paced world better.
I am not saying you should not go in, you can go in and get the idea and learn the ways. Just don't judge the BG experience on those first few times in and the lower levels. When you get to x8-9 then you might be able to tell what you might like/dislike about them.|||As the above posters, going into a BG at less than 23, 33, 43 etc is asking for a lot of frustration.
You wouldn't expect to take on a lvl 29 mob in PvE at lvl 21 and still live, a similar thing applies to levels within PvP. I almost never go into BGs until I am at least "x"5 in level for two reasons, 1) being I don't get killed so easily and 2) I don't consider myself a liability to my team.
Also, 20-29 bracket and to some degree 30-39 has a lot of twink characters (although 10-19 is easily the worst) who have farmed all the best gear, spent 100's of gold on enchants to be far superior to a "normal" leveling person so expect to get ambushed (a lot) by twink rogues (gnome or undead) dw'ing 2 blue weapons with enchants and who will probably have double your health.
For me, I now completely ignore 10-19 BGs on my alts, the rampant twinking in this level bracket has completely spoiled my enjoyment of BGs in this level because I have no intention of doing it myself. The growth of 20-29 twinks also has me considering ignoring that BG level also but the jury is out on that one still.
Go in, take a look around and have some fun - I spend a lot of time in BGs on various toons, its generally a fun part of the game although I am biased by my dislike of twinks in general.|||I've read quite a bit about the twinks and I'm well aware that I'll be cannon fodder, but you have to learn sometime. Right? I can lay traps and get a couple shots off before visiting the GY. I play FPS games too, so fast paced doesn't bother me. I'll check'em out. Thanks for the replies guys.
Gloim|||Firstly, its good to know you do your research before posting for help.
As mentioned above all bgs are spread into brackets. If you are planning on going into a bg in the 10-19 or 20-29 range be sure to use terrain to your advantage. It tends to be the only way you can overcome twinks, though it won't contribute greatly to winning.|||A hunter, aye?
Well that's an entirely different matter. If you wait until lvl 28 and then go AB, you'll actually be able to take on twinks if you got half-decent gear and fast reflexes.
A few tips:
Track Stealthed (unless that's lvl 30). Always. Maybe switch to Track Humanoids for about � minute at the start of the game so that you wont run directly into a mob of enemies, but apart from that u WANT to fight rogues as long as you see them before they see you.
Your pet goes at full speed under water, meaning that if you can convince an enemy to jump in a river from which he can't get up on ur side, he's dead.
DoT sting + Freezing Trap = Dead YOU. Be sure to put on a sting that wont damage your opponent before trapping.
Don't keep on Aspect of the Cheetah for more than a few seconds. Turn it on to get a bit of distance on a melee class, then switch it off before he uses some ranged attack - any ranged attack - to daze you.
Keybindings, keybindings, keybindings. Even holding down 3 keys at the same time is possible while you're jumping and turning (to face your enemy while still moving away from him), with some practice, and as it's not possible to do the spin if you need to use your mouse to click off an attack: Keybindings for everything.
Well, dunno how helpful this is to a lvl 20something hunter, but it worked nicely for me on my own hunter (I was able to own lvl 39 rogue twinks as long as I dodged out of their stun - using my cat to break their stealth - from my lvl 37 hunter geared with nothing but what I'd looted while lvling him and crafted with his own LW skills). If you got an FPSers reflexes and can get used to some keybindings, they'll be chanceless.|||<keybindings>
I am a mouse player, left hand is on the direction buttons, right hand mousing over stuff. In PvE it works decent enough, but the more I've been in instances and in PvP I realize I am gimping myself, so..tonight I am going to start keybinding stuff and switch hands on the keyboard.
I have a few questions about the battlegrounds. As the title suggests, I have next to no experience in the BGs. First off, as a lvl 21, can I still go into WSG? From what I've read this BG seems to be for toons up to lvl 19. Have I missed out on this one? If so, the next available BG is AB right?
Next question is do I have to do anything special to enter a BG? Is there a quest or something that must be done to enter or do I just report to a battlemaster and que up?
The reason that I'm asking is because I missed out on PvP with my main, battlegrounds weren't in the game at that time, and I took an extended vacation from the game. I want to check this stuff out with my new toon.
Thanks for any help
Gloim|||WSG is borken into every 10 levels. So you ca still go there, but instead of it being the 10-19 bracket, you will be in the 20-29
You can also enter AB....which starts at levl 20 and goes (just like wsg) 20-29, 30-39, etc.
AV starts at 51 and you can do the arena whenever youw ant.
I'm not sure about this latest one.|||the Eye of the Storm was 61-69 then 70s if i recall correctly|||Not that you can't go in, but be prepared for frustration. Lower levels in the earlier two BG levels, I suppose even 30-39 are at a real big disadvantage. Folks who are specced and geared for PvP in the BG can have tons more HP than you and tend to be able to handle the fast paced world better.
I am not saying you should not go in, you can go in and get the idea and learn the ways. Just don't judge the BG experience on those first few times in and the lower levels. When you get to x8-9 then you might be able to tell what you might like/dislike about them.|||As the above posters, going into a BG at less than 23, 33, 43 etc is asking for a lot of frustration.
You wouldn't expect to take on a lvl 29 mob in PvE at lvl 21 and still live, a similar thing applies to levels within PvP. I almost never go into BGs until I am at least "x"5 in level for two reasons, 1) being I don't get killed so easily and 2) I don't consider myself a liability to my team.
Also, 20-29 bracket and to some degree 30-39 has a lot of twink characters (although 10-19 is easily the worst) who have farmed all the best gear, spent 100's of gold on enchants to be far superior to a "normal" leveling person so expect to get ambushed (a lot) by twink rogues (gnome or undead) dw'ing 2 blue weapons with enchants and who will probably have double your health.
For me, I now completely ignore 10-19 BGs on my alts, the rampant twinking in this level bracket has completely spoiled my enjoyment of BGs in this level because I have no intention of doing it myself. The growth of 20-29 twinks also has me considering ignoring that BG level also but the jury is out on that one still.
Go in, take a look around and have some fun - I spend a lot of time in BGs on various toons, its generally a fun part of the game although I am biased by my dislike of twinks in general.|||I've read quite a bit about the twinks and I'm well aware that I'll be cannon fodder, but you have to learn sometime. Right? I can lay traps and get a couple shots off before visiting the GY. I play FPS games too, so fast paced doesn't bother me. I'll check'em out. Thanks for the replies guys.
Gloim|||Firstly, its good to know you do your research before posting for help.
As mentioned above all bgs are spread into brackets. If you are planning on going into a bg in the 10-19 or 20-29 range be sure to use terrain to your advantage. It tends to be the only way you can overcome twinks, though it won't contribute greatly to winning.|||A hunter, aye?
Well that's an entirely different matter. If you wait until lvl 28 and then go AB, you'll actually be able to take on twinks if you got half-decent gear and fast reflexes.
A few tips:
Track Stealthed (unless that's lvl 30). Always. Maybe switch to Track Humanoids for about � minute at the start of the game so that you wont run directly into a mob of enemies, but apart from that u WANT to fight rogues as long as you see them before they see you.
Your pet goes at full speed under water, meaning that if you can convince an enemy to jump in a river from which he can't get up on ur side, he's dead.
DoT sting + Freezing Trap = Dead YOU. Be sure to put on a sting that wont damage your opponent before trapping.
Don't keep on Aspect of the Cheetah for more than a few seconds. Turn it on to get a bit of distance on a melee class, then switch it off before he uses some ranged attack - any ranged attack - to daze you.
Keybindings, keybindings, keybindings. Even holding down 3 keys at the same time is possible while you're jumping and turning (to face your enemy while still moving away from him), with some practice, and as it's not possible to do the spin if you need to use your mouse to click off an attack: Keybindings for everything.
Well, dunno how helpful this is to a lvl 20something hunter, but it worked nicely for me on my own hunter (I was able to own lvl 39 rogue twinks as long as I dodged out of their stun - using my cat to break their stealth - from my lvl 37 hunter geared with nothing but what I'd looted while lvling him and crafted with his own LW skills). If you got an FPSers reflexes and can get used to some keybindings, they'll be chanceless.|||<keybindings>
I am a mouse player, left hand is on the direction buttons, right hand mousing over stuff. In PvE it works decent enough, but the more I've been in instances and in PvP I realize I am gimping myself, so..tonight I am going to start keybinding stuff and switch hands on the keyboard.
New Battlegroup Woes...
After dealing with 300-500 deep Queues for a few weeks (had one cap over 1000... that one took so long, I just gave up and watched tv), my family guild (45 "members"... but only 8 or 9 players... and at most 6 on at a single moment) decided to take advantage of the free move from Lothar to Area52.
Now, I expect a slowdown due to TBC (new characters being leveled and Maxed-out 60's pushing for 70th), but in the entire time we've been on the server/BattleGroup:Frenzy, I've not seen a SINGLE WSG/AB/AV active, except maybe 10-19 WSG.
I check /who Basin, /who Alterac (only ever get 2-4 BEs levelign in Alterac Mountains), and /who Gulch every night... And I queue up with my newly 59th Rogue every chance I get... And I haven't seen a single BG, yet.
I can't fathom that there are no PvPers over Lvl.19 and under Lvl.70... (not that I've seen any Lvl.70's in BG's, either)
I know that the "old" PvP gear is pretty much crap when compaired to green TBC drops, and certainly Lvl.60 Quest rewards from the Outlands... but the HWL Weapons and "free" Epic Mount are still worth the effort... if given the chance to earn ANY marks for them.
Currently holding at:
normaly 2 EOTS and maybe 1 or 2 AB/WSG's
AV normally nothing, and then when it is up, there 2 few people either side to be able to win the battle as unable to beat stormpike/Drek Thar.
hell alliance were unable to take down Galvanger since they made Galv and Balinda a lot tougher.
there plenty of reason to BG, as you dont get complete armour set from the arenas, so there are the "missing" peices which are 70 BG epics to fill out the rest of the gear.
but as i say give it time, once a lot more people are at higher levels you will see the battlegrounds fill up again, most people are proberbly trying out the new content, were as 3 of the battlegrounds are old stuff, and the Arena season hasnt started yet, plus theres some fun world pvp to be had now(halaa for the win)|||Well, at least I have the spare time to get things squared away...
- the coinage for Riding Training
- a full spare set of Bars, Stones, Cloth and Leather for RE-leveling Engineering for Gnomish, if they don't institute a viable Specialty Swap method in the next month or so...
- stocking up my Tailor/Engineer Priest Lowbie needed supplies for when she breaks 20th and can train to 225max.
But I'm still a bit annoyed that I haven't seen a single active BG above Lvl.19 in the last few weeks, and not just because I want to give my ugly-as-hell 'Bandit' gear a test. Still 59th, and my base stats (HP/AP/Crit) outshine my retired 60th in various Purples and Blues. (only crit% is lower, but I don't have any +crit talents, either)|||just so you know, i started level 60 with <50 gold, and by 65 i had 650 gold. that's more than enough for 150 riding skill & a bought epic mount... if you ask me, its more worth spending the time leveling to 70 and buying a 90g mount rather than not leveling and spending the time to get 30 marks from each PvP faction.
90g can be done in as little as 4 hours of questing in outlands, where as 1 AV token can take 4 hours :)|||On my realm (Gul'dan-medium Population) there are soooo many 10-19 WSG's going on. Maybe 18 games on weekends, 9-12 on week days :P Its madness... wait about 10 seconds ina queu to get in a game :p I got more makrs than you and I play for maybe 1 day in BG :P|||Quote:
On my realm (Gul'dan-medium Population) there are soooo many 10-19 WSG's going on. Maybe 18 games on weekends, 9-12 on week days :P Its madness... wait about 10 seconds ina queu to get in a game :p I got more makrs than you and I play for maybe 1 day in BG :P
I did my time in WSG before... heck, before I dinged 30th, I had all my gear banked up to 58th. In preparation of the BG change, I had WSG at Honored and AB at Revered... and spent the 60g+ on all the gear, rather than have to remake all the marks/honor as I leveled. The plan was originally to buy the gear as I leveled to it, but the announcement of the upcoming (at the time) change made me have to call in a few markers to gather the needed coin for a all-in-one buying spree.
After I hit 51st, I was in AV for those marks, before going back to WSG/AB to finish them off... I knew I'd enjoy AB, and WSG is more of a mindless grind to me than AV was.
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just so you know, i started level 60 with <50 gold, and by 65 i had 650 gold. that's more than enough for 150 riding skill & a bought epic mount... if you ask me, its more worth spending the time leveling to 70 and buying a 90g mount rather than not leveling and spending the time to get 30 marks from each PvP faction.
90g can be done in as little as 4 hours of questing in outlands, where as 1 AV token can take 4 hours :)
As it is, I'm now 66th and riding my bought-and-paid-for Swift Gray Riding Wolf... and still dreaming about getting my Black War Wolf. But, with over 2k already banked, I'm looking forward to a swiftly-earned (at 70th, I hope to be close to, if not beyond, 4k banked... Oh, the joys off gathering ALL your own materials for tradeskills...) Epic Flyer, instead.
Now, I expect a slowdown due to TBC (new characters being leveled and Maxed-out 60's pushing for 70th), but in the entire time we've been on the server/BattleGroup:Frenzy, I've not seen a SINGLE WSG/AB/AV active, except maybe 10-19 WSG.
I check /who Basin, /who Alterac (only ever get 2-4 BEs levelign in Alterac Mountains), and /who Gulch every night... And I queue up with my newly 59th Rogue every chance I get... And I haven't seen a single BG, yet.
I can't fathom that there are no PvPers over Lvl.19 and under Lvl.70... (not that I've seen any Lvl.70's in BG's, either)
I know that the "old" PvP gear is pretty much crap when compaired to green TBC drops, and certainly Lvl.60 Quest rewards from the Outlands... but the HWL Weapons and "free" Epic Mount are still worth the effort... if given the chance to earn ANY marks for them.
Currently holding at:
30 AV MarksAll the above earned prior to the move to Area52/BG:Frenzy... 22 marks from WAY back when I was 20-29, and then post PvP-Revamp earned the Honor in the 30 AV Matches at 53rd/54th.|||give it time, in my battleground(BG2) theres not that many bgs going on at the moment.
22 WSG Marks
0 AB Marks... (want/need 50 for both the mount and new sword)
8.2k+ Honor
normaly 2 EOTS and maybe 1 or 2 AB/WSG's
AV normally nothing, and then when it is up, there 2 few people either side to be able to win the battle as unable to beat stormpike/Drek Thar.
hell alliance were unable to take down Galvanger since they made Galv and Balinda a lot tougher.
there plenty of reason to BG, as you dont get complete armour set from the arenas, so there are the "missing" peices which are 70 BG epics to fill out the rest of the gear.
but as i say give it time, once a lot more people are at higher levels you will see the battlegrounds fill up again, most people are proberbly trying out the new content, were as 3 of the battlegrounds are old stuff, and the Arena season hasnt started yet, plus theres some fun world pvp to be had now(halaa for the win)|||Well, at least I have the spare time to get things squared away...
- the coinage for Riding Training
- a full spare set of Bars, Stones, Cloth and Leather for RE-leveling Engineering for Gnomish, if they don't institute a viable Specialty Swap method in the next month or so...
- stocking up my Tailor/Engineer Priest Lowbie needed supplies for when she breaks 20th and can train to 225max.
But I'm still a bit annoyed that I haven't seen a single active BG above Lvl.19 in the last few weeks, and not just because I want to give my ugly-as-hell 'Bandit' gear a test. Still 59th, and my base stats (HP/AP/Crit) outshine my retired 60th in various Purples and Blues. (only crit% is lower, but I don't have any +crit talents, either)|||just so you know, i started level 60 with <50 gold, and by 65 i had 650 gold. that's more than enough for 150 riding skill & a bought epic mount... if you ask me, its more worth spending the time leveling to 70 and buying a 90g mount rather than not leveling and spending the time to get 30 marks from each PvP faction.
90g can be done in as little as 4 hours of questing in outlands, where as 1 AV token can take 4 hours :)|||On my realm (Gul'dan-medium Population) there are soooo many 10-19 WSG's going on. Maybe 18 games on weekends, 9-12 on week days :P Its madness... wait about 10 seconds ina queu to get in a game :p I got more makrs than you and I play for maybe 1 day in BG :P|||Quote:
On my realm (Gul'dan-medium Population) there are soooo many 10-19 WSG's going on. Maybe 18 games on weekends, 9-12 on week days :P Its madness... wait about 10 seconds ina queu to get in a game :p I got more makrs than you and I play for maybe 1 day in BG :P
I did my time in WSG before... heck, before I dinged 30th, I had all my gear banked up to 58th. In preparation of the BG change, I had WSG at Honored and AB at Revered... and spent the 60g+ on all the gear, rather than have to remake all the marks/honor as I leveled. The plan was originally to buy the gear as I leveled to it, but the announcement of the upcoming (at the time) change made me have to call in a few markers to gather the needed coin for a all-in-one buying spree.
After I hit 51st, I was in AV for those marks, before going back to WSG/AB to finish them off... I knew I'd enjoy AB, and WSG is more of a mindless grind to me than AV was.
Quote:
just so you know, i started level 60 with <50 gold, and by 65 i had 650 gold. that's more than enough for 150 riding skill & a bought epic mount... if you ask me, its more worth spending the time leveling to 70 and buying a 90g mount rather than not leveling and spending the time to get 30 marks from each PvP faction.
90g can be done in as little as 4 hours of questing in outlands, where as 1 AV token can take 4 hours :)
As it is, I'm now 66th and riding my bought-and-paid-for Swift Gray Riding Wolf... and still dreaming about getting my Black War Wolf. But, with over 2k already banked, I'm looking forward to a swiftly-earned (at 70th, I hope to be close to, if not beyond, 4k banked... Oh, the joys off gathering ALL your own materials for tradeskills...) Epic Flyer, instead.
Ever had this happen?
I was playing on an old alt, 38 mage, in the BGs yesterday and had an alliance warrior from another server create a toon on my server specifically to namecall me and say how he could own me in a 1 vs 1 and how I needed a team to kill anything.
Funny thing was about 5 minutes later we met up in AB (on a 1 vs 1) and after a sheep/pyro/FB combo with some added other nukes he was running like a little girl to try and get back to his team-mates - needless to say I took great pleasure in burning him down from behind as he ran off
Neither of us twinked (he didn't have enough health to be a twink) and mage has PvP blues and "of the eagle" in most slots.
Ahh, thought I'd share this from a late night AB also yesterday - 15-8 Alliance to Horde numbers for the whole battle. Alliance failed to cap 5 nodes for the whole match and only won in the end about 2000-1300, horde even maged to get 3-2 bases a few times when playing 15 vs 8. That has to be one of the most appalling alliance AB teams I have ever seen.
I had 2 alliance (one a hunter) chase me from ST, to BS (pick up health buff), back to ST, up into Alliance building by GY (bandage), back to BS (health potion), drop down into GM to finally die from guards at GM - and I almost killed the chasing hunter when they lost health form the drop (I slow-falled) I was laughing my head off the whole time - blazing speed talent in the fire tree is a nightmare for ambushing rogues or hunters
Just wanted to share the second story, but anyone have the first happen to them?|||Never had that happen. But this is an excellent example of someone taking the game a little too seriously.|||I've seen some wannabe twinks from some crappy twink guilds come on and complain to me and members of my guild after we stomp them.
I like to egg them on and then put them on ignore so they waste their time coming up with some big comeback only to find out that I don't really care.|||I've had people play Alliance members up to level 49 just to sit in AB and harass people. They would name-call, call out false info, and sit there and fish the whole time.
Can you say "l2getalifeandstopbeinganasshole"?|||I got called out quite a lot. The best one was this rogue twink who said he could "wtfpwn" me. (I pissed off his guild and he was their best twink...) Anyways...we got into an arena match against eachother...2v1. I killed his friend then just stood there. he couldn't hit me. I would /dance, /lol, anything....and he would get about 1 out of 10 hits on me. I finally started /sit'ing to make him be able ot hit me and when I was down to 10% life from just doing that, I finally started attacking. I actually ended up with 16% life at the end of the fight do to LS'ing procs.
Of course...as I expected...I got the whole "ZOMG Magepriest (my twinks name) hax!" Which about 15 people responded with "LOL nope...he doesnt"
Calling people out is ridiculous...unless you KNOW you can beat them. I have done it once and only once....but that was to a 51 hunter against my 60 epicd mage.|||I love it when the wannabe's think they can hang with the real players.
About a month ago, I logged on with my twink warrior, no new upgrades from TBC yet. I am checking my bank and getting ready to regear when some chump tells me to join their guild or get out of their turf. I tell them I'm happy with the guild I'm. They say our guild is dead and that they are the new king's of the hill. I laugh and nicely explian to them taht as soon as my guild members are done with their mains, their guild will get squashed.
He challenges me to a duel (rogue)
I beat him 3 times in a row, none of which are close. In the last one I hamstring kite him for nearly 3 mins with my fist weapon that I save for noobs. he complains about the number of weapon procs and tells me to face their best rogue. I mop the floor with him twice and then their guild leader gets on (warrior)
i beat him 3 times in a row, with 2handers, while he's got a 500 hp advantage, along with some armor pots, and onyxia buff. He challenges me to a 1h/shield duel. I didn't have lifesteal on my Shadowfang, so this one is a little close. i decide to get serious and drop some tricks on him. I finish the duel by disarming him. He whines and curses about how disarm is cheap in a duel.
One of their other warriors comes out to see what the commotion is all about. he has an alt who used to be in my guild, but, left because the inactivity. When he comes out and sees me he laughs at his new guildies cuz they didn't know who they were messing with. I let him know the guild is coming back in a week, he /gquits and I reinvite him right there on the spot. Puts on his old tabbard and we just laugh while they /spit, /rude, etc.
Their guild now consists of 4 people in the 19 bracket, 2 in the 29 and 3 in 39................some are actually the same person.
lamers ftl
i wish people would be honest with themselves. I know that there are twinks out their who are better than me. I tip my hat to them when they can take me straight up. No need to be a jerk. I really don't get why people get all worked up over a game.|||Quote:
IOf course...as I expected...I got the whole "ZOMG Magepriest (my twinks name) hax!" Which about 15 people responded with "LOL nope...he doesnt"
I'm not good enough to be accused of hax. LOL
Funny thing was about 5 minutes later we met up in AB (on a 1 vs 1) and after a sheep/pyro/FB combo with some added other nukes he was running like a little girl to try and get back to his team-mates - needless to say I took great pleasure in burning him down from behind as he ran off
Neither of us twinked (he didn't have enough health to be a twink) and mage has PvP blues and "of the eagle" in most slots.
Ahh, thought I'd share this from a late night AB also yesterday - 15-8 Alliance to Horde numbers for the whole battle. Alliance failed to cap 5 nodes for the whole match and only won in the end about 2000-1300, horde even maged to get 3-2 bases a few times when playing 15 vs 8. That has to be one of the most appalling alliance AB teams I have ever seen.
I had 2 alliance (one a hunter) chase me from ST, to BS (pick up health buff), back to ST, up into Alliance building by GY (bandage), back to BS (health potion), drop down into GM to finally die from guards at GM - and I almost killed the chasing hunter when they lost health form the drop (I slow-falled) I was laughing my head off the whole time - blazing speed talent in the fire tree is a nightmare for ambushing rogues or hunters
Just wanted to share the second story, but anyone have the first happen to them?|||Never had that happen. But this is an excellent example of someone taking the game a little too seriously.|||I've seen some wannabe twinks from some crappy twink guilds come on and complain to me and members of my guild after we stomp them.
I like to egg them on and then put them on ignore so they waste their time coming up with some big comeback only to find out that I don't really care.|||I've had people play Alliance members up to level 49 just to sit in AB and harass people. They would name-call, call out false info, and sit there and fish the whole time.
Can you say "l2getalifeandstopbeinganasshole"?|||I got called out quite a lot. The best one was this rogue twink who said he could "wtfpwn" me. (I pissed off his guild and he was their best twink...) Anyways...we got into an arena match against eachother...2v1. I killed his friend then just stood there. he couldn't hit me. I would /dance, /lol, anything....and he would get about 1 out of 10 hits on me. I finally started /sit'ing to make him be able ot hit me and when I was down to 10% life from just doing that, I finally started attacking. I actually ended up with 16% life at the end of the fight do to LS'ing procs.
Of course...as I expected...I got the whole "ZOMG Magepriest (my twinks name) hax!" Which about 15 people responded with "LOL nope...he doesnt"
Calling people out is ridiculous...unless you KNOW you can beat them. I have done it once and only once....but that was to a 51 hunter against my 60 epicd mage.|||I love it when the wannabe's think they can hang with the real players.
About a month ago, I logged on with my twink warrior, no new upgrades from TBC yet. I am checking my bank and getting ready to regear when some chump tells me to join their guild or get out of their turf. I tell them I'm happy with the guild I'm. They say our guild is dead and that they are the new king's of the hill. I laugh and nicely explian to them taht as soon as my guild members are done with their mains, their guild will get squashed.
He challenges me to a duel (rogue)
I beat him 3 times in a row, none of which are close. In the last one I hamstring kite him for nearly 3 mins with my fist weapon that I save for noobs. he complains about the number of weapon procs and tells me to face their best rogue. I mop the floor with him twice and then their guild leader gets on (warrior)
i beat him 3 times in a row, with 2handers, while he's got a 500 hp advantage, along with some armor pots, and onyxia buff. He challenges me to a 1h/shield duel. I didn't have lifesteal on my Shadowfang, so this one is a little close. i decide to get serious and drop some tricks on him. I finish the duel by disarming him. He whines and curses about how disarm is cheap in a duel.
One of their other warriors comes out to see what the commotion is all about. he has an alt who used to be in my guild, but, left because the inactivity. When he comes out and sees me he laughs at his new guildies cuz they didn't know who they were messing with. I let him know the guild is coming back in a week, he /gquits and I reinvite him right there on the spot. Puts on his old tabbard and we just laugh while they /spit, /rude, etc.
Their guild now consists of 4 people in the 19 bracket, 2 in the 29 and 3 in 39................some are actually the same person.
lamers ftl
i wish people would be honest with themselves. I know that there are twinks out their who are better than me. I tip my hat to them when they can take me straight up. No need to be a jerk. I really don't get why people get all worked up over a game.|||Quote:
IOf course...as I expected...I got the whole "ZOMG Magepriest (my twinks name) hax!" Which about 15 people responded with "LOL nope...he doesnt"
I'm not good enough to be accused of hax. LOL
gladiator's gear and arena points
well to start off, i decided to make a warlock over a rogue, mainly due to me being on dialup[yay!] , i can't do any raids, the most i can do is 5-10 man raids, but even then no guild is going to let me join due to the fact on im dialup and would always be lagging and no vent...
so the best possible gear i can get is gladiator's gear
http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=615
everything together is 8250 arena points, i asked a few people whats a good amount of arena points to make a week? some people told me 50 some told me 10k -.- with all these mixed answers im not sure
but honestly, in a 2v2 or 3v3 team , what would be a good ammount of arena points to make a week?
also, once i get lets say 1000 arena points, its like honor points right? you don't lose them unless you spend the,? thanks|||I would say that the 50 a week is a lot more accurate, but i think it just depends on your winning percentage, i do know one that, that it is not games played, like PVP, but rather it is more based off of skill, and it is better to win 10 out of 10 games, then to play 200, and only win 150 of them. So, if it were me, i would try and get a 2v2 , 3v3, and 5v5 team together, and just play 10 games a week with all of them. That is only 30 matches a week, which is only about an hour or an hour and a half at the most.|||Quote:
well to start off, i decided to make a warlock over a rogue, mainly due to me being on dialup[yay!] , i can't do any raids, the most i can do is 5-10 man raids, but even then no guild is going to let me join due to the fact on im dialup and would always be lagging and no vent...
so the best possible gear i can get is gladiator's gear
http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=615
everything together is 8250 arena points, i asked a few people whats a good amount of arena points to make a week? some people told me 50 some told me 10k -.- with all these mixed answers im not sure
but honestly, in a 2v2 or 3v3 team , what would be a good amount of arena points to make a week?
also, once i get lets say 1000 arena points, its like honor points right? you don't lose them unless you spend the,? thanks
Wait wait wait...you start with a rating of 1500. It doesnt matter if you play 100 or 10 games..all that matters is: How much you win or lose. Play 100, lose 60 is worse than play 10 lose 2.
Technically you can form a new arena team each week, lose 10 games (you need to play 10 to get rated), get your 400 points, abandon the team, make a new, lose 10 games etc etc etc....10 weeks to an awesome weapon
If you win/lose 50%, you stay at 1500 and get about 500 points per week in a 5v5 team (around 350 in a 2 v 2 team). Rating of 2000 is recommended to advance fast. My 2v2 team has lost slightly more than won and we have 800 points in 3 weeks.
But the only PvP reward currently better than my gear is the spellblade, so 10 more weeks and I am out of here, hehe
And arena points are never lost unless you spend them....|||Det is correct. For more accurate numbers I just answered this here:
http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthr...=391025&page=2|||Ok - the best way to understand this is to jump right in- which is what i did last night....
3vs3 team- played 25 games - won a few, lost more- ended up with a rating of like 1350. I found an online calculator- so i don't know how accurate it is- but with my rating for 3vs3 it said I would get about 300 points. This is with winning about 1 in 3.
30 weeks for about 9k at this rate? around 7 months... really, isn't too bad i guess for end game pvp gear. I assume we will get better since we just started playing and 7 months for almost all my gear is the far end of the spectrum. It also only required 10 games a week, which allows for a lot of other game play, unlike BG honor.|||Just remember...if you keep losing more than winning, you get less and less points each week... :)|||And the number of battles doesn't matter. You get more points for winning 6 and losing 4, than you do for winning 50 and losing 50.|||Quote:
And the number of battles doesn't matter. You get more points for winning 6 and losing 4, than you do for winning 50 and losing 50.
Number of battles do matter if you want to progress faster. Winning 60 and losing 40 is much more better than winning 6 and losing 4. Your rating goes up with each game you win and down with each game you lose by a constant number (ofc affected by the rating of the opposing team), no?
As long as you don't suck and can guarantee winning 60%+ of the games ofc.
I've read somewhere on these forums that when ou win against a team with the same rating as your team you get 15, and lose 15 when you lose against them.
If we assume on avarage you are facing the teams with same rating:
playing and winning 10 games (highly unlikely) = 10*15 = +150 rating
playing and winning 60, losing 40 = 60*15-40*15 = +300 rating
more rating = more weekly arena points...
besides, if you are so capable to win almost all of the games, then why stop? you dont get that many wins with luck imo.
Edit: Ehm, of course as your rating goes up, you will get matched against better teams, above will be correct assuming you practice in skirmishes, try to improve your skills, and think on better tactics...Also try to improve gear from pve or BG's..|||Good point, I probably should have added that too :D
so the best possible gear i can get is gladiator's gear
http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=615
everything together is 8250 arena points, i asked a few people whats a good amount of arena points to make a week? some people told me 50 some told me 10k -.- with all these mixed answers im not sure
but honestly, in a 2v2 or 3v3 team , what would be a good ammount of arena points to make a week?
also, once i get lets say 1000 arena points, its like honor points right? you don't lose them unless you spend the,? thanks|||I would say that the 50 a week is a lot more accurate, but i think it just depends on your winning percentage, i do know one that, that it is not games played, like PVP, but rather it is more based off of skill, and it is better to win 10 out of 10 games, then to play 200, and only win 150 of them. So, if it were me, i would try and get a 2v2 , 3v3, and 5v5 team together, and just play 10 games a week with all of them. That is only 30 matches a week, which is only about an hour or an hour and a half at the most.|||Quote:
well to start off, i decided to make a warlock over a rogue, mainly due to me being on dialup[yay!] , i can't do any raids, the most i can do is 5-10 man raids, but even then no guild is going to let me join due to the fact on im dialup and would always be lagging and no vent...
so the best possible gear i can get is gladiator's gear
http://www.wowhead.com/?itemset=615
everything together is 8250 arena points, i asked a few people whats a good amount of arena points to make a week? some people told me 50 some told me 10k -.- with all these mixed answers im not sure
but honestly, in a 2v2 or 3v3 team , what would be a good amount of arena points to make a week?
also, once i get lets say 1000 arena points, its like honor points right? you don't lose them unless you spend the,? thanks
Wait wait wait...you start with a rating of 1500. It doesnt matter if you play 100 or 10 games..all that matters is: How much you win or lose. Play 100, lose 60 is worse than play 10 lose 2.
Technically you can form a new arena team each week, lose 10 games (you need to play 10 to get rated), get your 400 points, abandon the team, make a new, lose 10 games etc etc etc....10 weeks to an awesome weapon
If you win/lose 50%, you stay at 1500 and get about 500 points per week in a 5v5 team (around 350 in a 2 v 2 team). Rating of 2000 is recommended to advance fast. My 2v2 team has lost slightly more than won and we have 800 points in 3 weeks.
But the only PvP reward currently better than my gear is the spellblade, so 10 more weeks and I am out of here, hehe
And arena points are never lost unless you spend them....|||Det is correct. For more accurate numbers I just answered this here:
http://forums.worldofwar.net/showthr...=391025&page=2|||Ok - the best way to understand this is to jump right in- which is what i did last night....
3vs3 team- played 25 games - won a few, lost more- ended up with a rating of like 1350. I found an online calculator- so i don't know how accurate it is- but with my rating for 3vs3 it said I would get about 300 points. This is with winning about 1 in 3.
30 weeks for about 9k at this rate? around 7 months... really, isn't too bad i guess for end game pvp gear. I assume we will get better since we just started playing and 7 months for almost all my gear is the far end of the spectrum. It also only required 10 games a week, which allows for a lot of other game play, unlike BG honor.|||Just remember...if you keep losing more than winning, you get less and less points each week... :)|||And the number of battles doesn't matter. You get more points for winning 6 and losing 4, than you do for winning 50 and losing 50.|||Quote:
And the number of battles doesn't matter. You get more points for winning 6 and losing 4, than you do for winning 50 and losing 50.
Number of battles do matter if you want to progress faster. Winning 60 and losing 40 is much more better than winning 6 and losing 4. Your rating goes up with each game you win and down with each game you lose by a constant number (ofc affected by the rating of the opposing team), no?
As long as you don't suck and can guarantee winning 60%+ of the games ofc.
I've read somewhere on these forums that when ou win against a team with the same rating as your team you get 15, and lose 15 when you lose against them.
If we assume on avarage you are facing the teams with same rating:
playing and winning 10 games (highly unlikely) = 10*15 = +150 rating
playing and winning 60, losing 40 = 60*15-40*15 = +300 rating
more rating = more weekly arena points...
besides, if you are so capable to win almost all of the games, then why stop? you dont get that many wins with luck imo.
Edit: Ehm, of course as your rating goes up, you will get matched against better teams, above will be correct assuming you practice in skirmishes, try to improve your skills, and think on better tactics...Also try to improve gear from pve or BG's..|||Good point, I probably should have added that too :D
Epic WSG
Well, had one of the most fun WSG BGs I've had in a long time last night.
Alliance side had 2 druids flag running and a priest who knew what he was doing. They had a decent couple of rogues also. Their paladin seemed not too good at the start but he got better throught the game and they were gimped by having a lvl 30 mage (30-39 obviously) in their team.
Horde actually had to defend in depth with 3-4 defenders, 3-4 midfield and mainly me and rogue trying flag runs.
Flags were getting stolen left, right and centre - I had our flag stolen and a winning cap taken away from me when I was 10 yards from our flag spot. I managed to stop a druid capping to even the score at 2-2 when she was about 3 yards from capping. Our warlock got >100k damage over the duration of the BG.
The eventual score was 3-1 to Horde (but this seems unfair to alliance) after 1 hour 25 minutes of playing and finishing at 1am my time, 2am cet.
I think I can remember one being 1hr 45 mins a long time ago - anyone else can beat those times for duration?
/salute to alliance in Eonar Battlegroup on this game, its a BG I will remember for a long time.
Crakhorn
38 Tauren Druid|||Awsome,
Glad you had fun and it wasn't a frustrating 'both sides defend' game.
I just finished one that had gone to 2 all we finally got the flag and a clear run for the flag carrier and the server went down for maintenence. So near and yet so far. :)
It's good when both sides are fairly evenly matched.|||cool.
I just whant to say i hate it when people stay in the middle however as i have found out it does help when the allience run out of the hords tunnel then sigh when they run into 4 horde players =P|||I have had games where both teams ended up turtling for a good hour...which is 100% pointless. With BOTH teams turtling, each team may send 1 or 2 players out to attempt to get the flag....and a 2 v 8 just isn't going to happen.
We finally broke through for the win...another rogue and I went for their flag. I went in first, (used my sprint to grab the flag then a speed potion to get further away...) but it was a tactic. I knew I wasn't going to live. So I dragged all 8 of them out of the flag room and all the way to the right corner of the map. I just stood there as all of them killed me. As soon as I was dead, they returned the flag to their base, where my rogue team mate was stealthed with his sprint cooled down, the boots on both sides ready to be used, and a speed potion at his ready for the mid run. The alliance were so far away from the tunnel he was more than home free.
I think that game was right around your same time...90 minutes or so.|||Yeah I hate turtles too... those are the games when I'm glad to be on my mage although it doesn't work quite as well since I specced out of frost and into fire :P
Run in down free action pot, grab flag, frost nova and blink out. Even better if speed boots are there. I always end up dying but getting the flag out of the flag room is what's important... whether it's so someone can pick up the flag and finish the run or to leave an empty flag room for someone else to take an unimpeded route after the flag is returned.|||Although this isn't an "epic wsg" tale, it is an epic 1v1 battle in wsg.
Last night I was on my twink, playing WSG. Score was 2-2. Neither team had that many twinks on it, but I recognized one name from their team. I told everybody before the game to attempt to stay away from her.
Anyways, score 2-2. I JUST picked up the flag. My entire team was dead in the GY or holding off the few alliance going for our flag. I grab the flag and see the twink I dread pop up behind me. She gets a few hits off, then blows her sprint to make sure I dont get the boots. I turn around (knowing I don't want to face her with my health already at 75%) and head to go ramp. When I get to the ramp-side, I look out across the entire BG. All I see is red. Some are looking back at me, others are heading into out base. I stop dead in my tracks. Hoping that my team will rez and bee-line straight for me so I don't have to go through all of them alone. Then I get hit. That darn rogue was there. We start going at it. Both of us have atleast 60% dodge, so each hit is seperated by a good 3 or 4 seconds of dodges. We are whittling eachother down at the same rate. All of our gouge attempts are dodged. At about 50% she popps evasion. Great. Over 100% dodge. So I pop mine too. We swing away and run around eachother and of course, nobody gets hit. We can't get behind eachother either. I have /lol keybound, so I use it. As does she. 15 seconds later, evasion finishes off. Now we are back to the 1 hit every 4 seconds again. Same thing....whittline eachother down at almost the same rate. At 10% she pops her AGM. (absorbs 750 to 1250 damage) I do the same. Once again, for 20 seconds, we are invincible to eachother. We get some more /lol's off. When that was done, we both health potted. Back up to about 25% health. We continue to whittle eachother down. A good 45 seconds later, I get the killing blow in. I am at 24 health. She remains on the ground, so I give her a /salute before looking out over the bg, hoping my team had cleared to her again. Nope. What I saw was all red. Any of them could have attacked me at any time. They didn't. I can only assume she called her team off. I would have done the same. About 2 seconds later, a warrior charged and 1 shotted me.
My team eventually lost the game, but THAT was a battle to remember.|||hmm i have had a few hour + battles, normally premade v premade
both teams have the flag in there base, trying to hold it while also trying to get theres back, which often can result in a long battle when neither team is prepared to commit men to the attack.
there normally the games that make me wish we had signed up for the basin instead :p|||Yeah, I normally leave WSG after 50 minutes or so, when I realise it's a stalmate and I could be there until the end of time.
At least with AB you know the maximum you'll be there for is around 40 minutes. May be they should have a time limit imposed on WSG. After all it's not healthy to be staring at the screen for more than 1 hour...|||Stigg, that sounds like it was an awesome 1v1 battle! Thanks for sharing the story.|||WSG should not last more than an hour. 30 minutes is pushing it. Its capture the flag, not pitch a tent and have the whole team camp in a flag room. If all your team is going to do is play defense you all deserve to be roundhouse kicked in the face for wasting 10-15 other peoples time.
Alliance side had 2 druids flag running and a priest who knew what he was doing. They had a decent couple of rogues also. Their paladin seemed not too good at the start but he got better throught the game and they were gimped by having a lvl 30 mage (30-39 obviously) in their team.
Horde actually had to defend in depth with 3-4 defenders, 3-4 midfield and mainly me and rogue trying flag runs.
Flags were getting stolen left, right and centre - I had our flag stolen and a winning cap taken away from me when I was 10 yards from our flag spot. I managed to stop a druid capping to even the score at 2-2 when she was about 3 yards from capping. Our warlock got >100k damage over the duration of the BG.
The eventual score was 3-1 to Horde (but this seems unfair to alliance) after 1 hour 25 minutes of playing and finishing at 1am my time, 2am cet.
I think I can remember one being 1hr 45 mins a long time ago - anyone else can beat those times for duration?
/salute to alliance in Eonar Battlegroup on this game, its a BG I will remember for a long time.
Crakhorn
38 Tauren Druid|||Awsome,
Glad you had fun and it wasn't a frustrating 'both sides defend' game.
I just finished one that had gone to 2 all we finally got the flag and a clear run for the flag carrier and the server went down for maintenence. So near and yet so far. :)
It's good when both sides are fairly evenly matched.|||cool.
I just whant to say i hate it when people stay in the middle however as i have found out it does help when the allience run out of the hords tunnel then sigh when they run into 4 horde players =P|||I have had games where both teams ended up turtling for a good hour...which is 100% pointless. With BOTH teams turtling, each team may send 1 or 2 players out to attempt to get the flag....and a 2 v 8 just isn't going to happen.
We finally broke through for the win...another rogue and I went for their flag. I went in first, (used my sprint to grab the flag then a speed potion to get further away...) but it was a tactic. I knew I wasn't going to live. So I dragged all 8 of them out of the flag room and all the way to the right corner of the map. I just stood there as all of them killed me. As soon as I was dead, they returned the flag to their base, where my rogue team mate was stealthed with his sprint cooled down, the boots on both sides ready to be used, and a speed potion at his ready for the mid run. The alliance were so far away from the tunnel he was more than home free.
I think that game was right around your same time...90 minutes or so.|||Yeah I hate turtles too... those are the games when I'm glad to be on my mage although it doesn't work quite as well since I specced out of frost and into fire :P
Run in down free action pot, grab flag, frost nova and blink out. Even better if speed boots are there. I always end up dying but getting the flag out of the flag room is what's important... whether it's so someone can pick up the flag and finish the run or to leave an empty flag room for someone else to take an unimpeded route after the flag is returned.|||Although this isn't an "epic wsg" tale, it is an epic 1v1 battle in wsg.
Last night I was on my twink, playing WSG. Score was 2-2. Neither team had that many twinks on it, but I recognized one name from their team. I told everybody before the game to attempt to stay away from her.
Anyways, score 2-2. I JUST picked up the flag. My entire team was dead in the GY or holding off the few alliance going for our flag. I grab the flag and see the twink I dread pop up behind me. She gets a few hits off, then blows her sprint to make sure I dont get the boots. I turn around (knowing I don't want to face her with my health already at 75%) and head to go ramp. When I get to the ramp-side, I look out across the entire BG. All I see is red. Some are looking back at me, others are heading into out base. I stop dead in my tracks. Hoping that my team will rez and bee-line straight for me so I don't have to go through all of them alone. Then I get hit. That darn rogue was there. We start going at it. Both of us have atleast 60% dodge, so each hit is seperated by a good 3 or 4 seconds of dodges. We are whittling eachother down at the same rate. All of our gouge attempts are dodged. At about 50% she popps evasion. Great. Over 100% dodge. So I pop mine too. We swing away and run around eachother and of course, nobody gets hit. We can't get behind eachother either. I have /lol keybound, so I use it. As does she. 15 seconds later, evasion finishes off. Now we are back to the 1 hit every 4 seconds again. Same thing....whittline eachother down at almost the same rate. At 10% she pops her AGM. (absorbs 750 to 1250 damage) I do the same. Once again, for 20 seconds, we are invincible to eachother. We get some more /lol's off. When that was done, we both health potted. Back up to about 25% health. We continue to whittle eachother down. A good 45 seconds later, I get the killing blow in. I am at 24 health. She remains on the ground, so I give her a /salute before looking out over the bg, hoping my team had cleared to her again. Nope. What I saw was all red. Any of them could have attacked me at any time. They didn't. I can only assume she called her team off. I would have done the same. About 2 seconds later, a warrior charged and 1 shotted me.
My team eventually lost the game, but THAT was a battle to remember.|||hmm i have had a few hour + battles, normally premade v premade
both teams have the flag in there base, trying to hold it while also trying to get theres back, which often can result in a long battle when neither team is prepared to commit men to the attack.
there normally the games that make me wish we had signed up for the basin instead :p|||Yeah, I normally leave WSG after 50 minutes or so, when I realise it's a stalmate and I could be there until the end of time.
At least with AB you know the maximum you'll be there for is around 40 minutes. May be they should have a time limit imposed on WSG. After all it's not healthy to be staring at the screen for more than 1 hour...|||Stigg, that sounds like it was an awesome 1v1 battle! Thanks for sharing the story.|||WSG should not last more than an hour. 30 minutes is pushing it. Its capture the flag, not pitch a tent and have the whole team camp in a flag room. If all your team is going to do is play defense you all deserve to be roundhouse kicked in the face for wasting 10-15 other peoples time.
Annoyed
Just lost my first AB in ages.
Part of the problem was half our team were a bit low leveled but the main issue was 3 numbnuts, a 32 lock, 32 rogue and some other toon - spent the whole AB running up to our GY area, dropping into water then running back. Even when our GY was getting camped they continued to do this.
I reported them, I find it difficult to believe they were honor leeching as we got spanked 2000-800, so, could it be possible some alliance mains created some toons just to restrict the amount of horde players or were they just total pricks?
2 of them afk'd out when alliance had a huge lead, not sure on the 3rd.|||My sympathies friend. I could see a couple of kids doing this just to screw with the Horde.
Part of the problem was half our team were a bit low leveled but the main issue was 3 numbnuts, a 32 lock, 32 rogue and some other toon - spent the whole AB running up to our GY area, dropping into water then running back. Even when our GY was getting camped they continued to do this.
I reported them, I find it difficult to believe they were honor leeching as we got spanked 2000-800, so, could it be possible some alliance mains created some toons just to restrict the amount of horde players or were they just total pricks?
2 of them afk'd out when alliance had a huge lead, not sure on the 3rd.|||My sympathies friend. I could see a couple of kids doing this just to screw with the Horde.
A New (for me) Strategy in the BGs
Mentioning this in another thread made me want to discuss it a bit:
It may be a well known tactic for all I know...I have only played WoW since December...but one I am finding extremely effective. Since twinks are so prevalent these days, and so many people dislike them and want to kill them, I saw an opportunity to take advantage. I have created a quasi-twink
Here is how it works:
I first saved up 2 gold to visit the AH. This is fairly simple to do. Once there I searched for the coolest looking armor I could find. In this case I found all of the Burnished mail pieces. Appearance is important here. Then find the meanest looking weapon you can find, and get whatever glowing enchant you can on it. Put all of this together and you *look* like a twink.
Now you are ready to take advantage of those who will hate you. You really don't have to do very much...just act like a twink. Rush the first one you see that you know will be an easy kill. The others will gang up on you. Once you have everyone's attention, draw them away and out of the fight. The second part of this tactic is to inform all your teammates that you will be drawing the enemy to <left/right> side, so that the FC can go the opposite direction. This strategy will only work once or twice, so you have to get it right :)
I have gotten quite good at it, and usually play head games for a bit first. I pick up the flag a couple times so they know I am bold. Then I charge them in groups. Such acts of boldness make them think I know something they don't...and I have a shiny weapon to prove it. So far this has yet to fail, except against premades. For them I have better gear that I swap out with.|||that's a nice thought in theroy.
Couple problems:
The veteran twinks will not bother with you since they know who the real threats are.
The wannabe twinks will chew through your hps too fast for you to be a distraction long enough to matter.
Most twinks know what all the weapon enchants look like. You're not fooling anyone with beastslaying.
if you really want to piss twinks off, play a hunter or mage. Hunters can kite for days. Mages can string together sheep, frost nova, and frost bolt to lock down anything
if you have better gear, why don't you use that at all times? If you are drawing your opponents to you, you should try taking some out or keeping them distracted longer. I see no reason to gear down, if you already have better gear.
I have used the tactic you describe, but, I have 1900+ hps and the AGM trinket.........so pretty easy to occupy the entire eenmy team with that. If I get some heals...........horde better look out.|||All depends on my mood. I like doing this because it gives me the satisfaction of tricking people a bit. Being a RPer, I usually go for a balance of looks and functionality. The gear I use normally for PVP has nowhere near the cool factor that the lower armor does.
I actually stumbled upon this method during a match. We are up against a fairly easy opponent so I decided I had some play time. So I put on my RP armor, and everyone started running at me. After playing around with it a bit, I found that it was my appearance that caused them to chase me.
Yes, it will not fool thw twinks as much, but it has for me enough to use it. Like I said, this only works once or twice, but if it does, that one cap may be enough to win. I usually don't get torn up, even by twinks, because I am smart enough to lead them on a chase and not stand toe-to-toe. Once they catch me I am done in seconds, but that has bought us some time.
The strategy is not one that is 100%, it was just a phenomonon I thought pretty cool. It has worked for me every time I used it (I don't use the beastslayer enchant), and usually ends up gaining some applause from my teammates. Once I use it, then I change and start fighting for real. I find that with PUGs, getting the first cap is a huge advantage from a morale standpoint, especially if it happens quickly, so there are other benefits to this.
EDIT: since I don't want to be a twink, I like to do this so that the enemy kicks themselves in the rear for wasting their time with me. I am the sheep in wolf's clothing, but when I gear up for real, I can hang with the rest of them.|||i have a 19 mage and its tons of fun to kite someone around...or just keep em sheeped/novad in there flagroom for minutes.
and we can all tell what gear your using, what weapons etc|||Apparently the people in my battlegroup have trouble with it...as it has yet to fail :) Or maybe there is another reason I am always drawing 5 of them off to the side of the map away from the fight
Oh well...it is doomed to fail eventually, but at least I have had my fun with it.|||If it's helping you win bg's then that's great.
Some twinks are not actually in there to win. I'm not trying to burst your bubble, but, they may just be chasing you cuz they want to kill you and you are an easy kill when you put on your weaker gear.
I also kinda question the skill and gear of the "twinks" you are playing against. Gearing down vs twinks in my battlegroup is suicide.
Still, i think congratulation are in order for someone who has the fortitude to stand against twinks and not complain.|||Usually it is the normal players that chase the heck out of me, not the twinks as much. I actually look at twinks as a way to get creative. You cannot win in direct combat, so you must find a creative way to do it. I guess that is where I benefit from having a rogue main...it forces me to always think outside the box.
I come from playing one of the very first MMORPGs, where rogues (or in that game, thieves) are the most underpowered and overlooked classes in the game. They were added as an afterthought and developed very little after that. Playing the underdog like that has led me to think in a crafty kind of way, and use unconventional tactics to win. The tactic I am now using is a double-edged sword...the normal players sometimes think I am a twink, and the twinks see me as easy prey. Either way, mission accomplished.
I am, however, almost ready to jump into the 20-29 bracket, where this will be obsolete. Given the new abilities introduced in that bracket, I will be nothing more than easy honor if I do this, so on to finding another sneaky strategy|||Owlx, we don't have to disparage someone for trying something new, especially if it works.
Sly, that's great that you've found a new way to help your team out. Bravo. At least your trying. I've been in quite a few BG's lately where one or two alliance on my team is there just to get a token, so they'll afk in a corner, come touch the keyboard every few minutes and not have to actually do anything. Needless to say, it's tough enough playing with 5 level 31 alliance vs the horde, but when you're doing it only 8vs.10, it makes it even harder.
I actually use a somewhat similar tactic, when it benefits my team. I've incorporated it into my bad of tricks. One of the best tools to figure out if your tactic is working is the target of your target feature that you can turn on in the interface menu. You can tell all the people that have you targeted, and can then lead them away. Many people in BG's are almost like NPC's, as in when they see you, no matter what else is happening they'll go after you (as if you have agro on them).
Anyways, I'm a twink in the 30-39 bracket and after a while of them knowing that I can knock the crap out of them I'll eventually find myself outnumbered. Oh, here's their big chance to put a hurt on the bid, bad 39 twinked warrior. Let's all go get her! So then I'll just run away, to some disparate corner of the map that takes 3-4 of them completely out of play. In terms of the game, this is just as good as killing all of them, as they won't be a factor for 30 seconds at least. I really like running to the ramp side, horde side, into the hills back there. There's a ton of space, some bushes, and it's so out of the way of the rest of the game that if they come back there, i've done my job.|||WTF PTiger???
did you miss the sentance where I said he should be congratulated?
In my experiences (within a highly competitve twink battlegroup) this strategy is not going to work very well in 19 wsg unless you can occupy a lot of players or one key player for a long time. Gearing down to do this doesn't help. And I will again state that this is the reality in my battlegroup. IN MY BATTLEGROUP If you are not a threat, good players will not bother with you.
i still gave him props. Most people would come here and simply cry about twinks instead of taking pleasure in being a punching bag for twinks.
Sly- Actually i think you will find more success with this in AB. If you can occupy yoru opponent at one place, you can free up the main force to attack someplace else..........getting everyone on the same page will take some work, but, your tactics can still be usefull.|||I was speaking to your first post. You came out with negativity as to why his strategy wouldn't work, when he's already told you that it does work. It's as if your telling Alexander Graham Bell that the theory of the telephone is flawed because in your neck of the woods, it wouldn't work. Your second post is much better.
FWIW I agree with you about AB. It would and does work there too.
It may be a well known tactic for all I know...I have only played WoW since December...but one I am finding extremely effective. Since twinks are so prevalent these days, and so many people dislike them and want to kill them, I saw an opportunity to take advantage. I have created a quasi-twink
Here is how it works:
I first saved up 2 gold to visit the AH. This is fairly simple to do. Once there I searched for the coolest looking armor I could find. In this case I found all of the Burnished mail pieces. Appearance is important here. Then find the meanest looking weapon you can find, and get whatever glowing enchant you can on it. Put all of this together and you *look* like a twink.
Now you are ready to take advantage of those who will hate you. You really don't have to do very much...just act like a twink. Rush the first one you see that you know will be an easy kill. The others will gang up on you. Once you have everyone's attention, draw them away and out of the fight. The second part of this tactic is to inform all your teammates that you will be drawing the enemy to <left/right> side, so that the FC can go the opposite direction. This strategy will only work once or twice, so you have to get it right :)
I have gotten quite good at it, and usually play head games for a bit first. I pick up the flag a couple times so they know I am bold. Then I charge them in groups. Such acts of boldness make them think I know something they don't...and I have a shiny weapon to prove it. So far this has yet to fail, except against premades. For them I have better gear that I swap out with.|||that's a nice thought in theroy.
Couple problems:
The veteran twinks will not bother with you since they know who the real threats are.
The wannabe twinks will chew through your hps too fast for you to be a distraction long enough to matter.
Most twinks know what all the weapon enchants look like. You're not fooling anyone with beastslaying.
if you really want to piss twinks off, play a hunter or mage. Hunters can kite for days. Mages can string together sheep, frost nova, and frost bolt to lock down anything
if you have better gear, why don't you use that at all times? If you are drawing your opponents to you, you should try taking some out or keeping them distracted longer. I see no reason to gear down, if you already have better gear.
I have used the tactic you describe, but, I have 1900+ hps and the AGM trinket.........so pretty easy to occupy the entire eenmy team with that. If I get some heals...........horde better look out.|||All depends on my mood. I like doing this because it gives me the satisfaction of tricking people a bit. Being a RPer, I usually go for a balance of looks and functionality. The gear I use normally for PVP has nowhere near the cool factor that the lower armor does.
I actually stumbled upon this method during a match. We are up against a fairly easy opponent so I decided I had some play time. So I put on my RP armor, and everyone started running at me. After playing around with it a bit, I found that it was my appearance that caused them to chase me.
Yes, it will not fool thw twinks as much, but it has for me enough to use it. Like I said, this only works once or twice, but if it does, that one cap may be enough to win. I usually don't get torn up, even by twinks, because I am smart enough to lead them on a chase and not stand toe-to-toe. Once they catch me I am done in seconds, but that has bought us some time.
The strategy is not one that is 100%, it was just a phenomonon I thought pretty cool. It has worked for me every time I used it (I don't use the beastslayer enchant), and usually ends up gaining some applause from my teammates. Once I use it, then I change and start fighting for real. I find that with PUGs, getting the first cap is a huge advantage from a morale standpoint, especially if it happens quickly, so there are other benefits to this.
EDIT: since I don't want to be a twink, I like to do this so that the enemy kicks themselves in the rear for wasting their time with me. I am the sheep in wolf's clothing, but when I gear up for real, I can hang with the rest of them.|||i have a 19 mage and its tons of fun to kite someone around...or just keep em sheeped/novad in there flagroom for minutes.
and we can all tell what gear your using, what weapons etc|||Apparently the people in my battlegroup have trouble with it...as it has yet to fail :) Or maybe there is another reason I am always drawing 5 of them off to the side of the map away from the fight
Oh well...it is doomed to fail eventually, but at least I have had my fun with it.|||If it's helping you win bg's then that's great.
Some twinks are not actually in there to win. I'm not trying to burst your bubble, but, they may just be chasing you cuz they want to kill you and you are an easy kill when you put on your weaker gear.
I also kinda question the skill and gear of the "twinks" you are playing against. Gearing down vs twinks in my battlegroup is suicide.
Still, i think congratulation are in order for someone who has the fortitude to stand against twinks and not complain.|||Usually it is the normal players that chase the heck out of me, not the twinks as much. I actually look at twinks as a way to get creative. You cannot win in direct combat, so you must find a creative way to do it. I guess that is where I benefit from having a rogue main...it forces me to always think outside the box.
I come from playing one of the very first MMORPGs, where rogues (or in that game, thieves) are the most underpowered and overlooked classes in the game. They were added as an afterthought and developed very little after that. Playing the underdog like that has led me to think in a crafty kind of way, and use unconventional tactics to win. The tactic I am now using is a double-edged sword...the normal players sometimes think I am a twink, and the twinks see me as easy prey. Either way, mission accomplished.
I am, however, almost ready to jump into the 20-29 bracket, where this will be obsolete. Given the new abilities introduced in that bracket, I will be nothing more than easy honor if I do this, so on to finding another sneaky strategy|||Owlx, we don't have to disparage someone for trying something new, especially if it works.
Sly, that's great that you've found a new way to help your team out. Bravo. At least your trying. I've been in quite a few BG's lately where one or two alliance on my team is there just to get a token, so they'll afk in a corner, come touch the keyboard every few minutes and not have to actually do anything. Needless to say, it's tough enough playing with 5 level 31 alliance vs the horde, but when you're doing it only 8vs.10, it makes it even harder.
I actually use a somewhat similar tactic, when it benefits my team. I've incorporated it into my bad of tricks. One of the best tools to figure out if your tactic is working is the target of your target feature that you can turn on in the interface menu. You can tell all the people that have you targeted, and can then lead them away. Many people in BG's are almost like NPC's, as in when they see you, no matter what else is happening they'll go after you (as if you have agro on them).
Anyways, I'm a twink in the 30-39 bracket and after a while of them knowing that I can knock the crap out of them I'll eventually find myself outnumbered. Oh, here's their big chance to put a hurt on the bid, bad 39 twinked warrior. Let's all go get her! So then I'll just run away, to some disparate corner of the map that takes 3-4 of them completely out of play. In terms of the game, this is just as good as killing all of them, as they won't be a factor for 30 seconds at least. I really like running to the ramp side, horde side, into the hills back there. There's a ton of space, some bushes, and it's so out of the way of the rest of the game that if they come back there, i've done my job.|||WTF PTiger???
did you miss the sentance where I said he should be congratulated?
In my experiences (within a highly competitve twink battlegroup) this strategy is not going to work very well in 19 wsg unless you can occupy a lot of players or one key player for a long time. Gearing down to do this doesn't help. And I will again state that this is the reality in my battlegroup. IN MY BATTLEGROUP If you are not a threat, good players will not bother with you.
i still gave him props. Most people would come here and simply cry about twinks instead of taking pleasure in being a punching bag for twinks.
Sly- Actually i think you will find more success with this in AB. If you can occupy yoru opponent at one place, you can free up the main force to attack someplace else..........getting everyone on the same page will take some work, but, your tactics can still be usefull.|||I was speaking to your first post. You came out with negativity as to why his strategy wouldn't work, when he's already told you that it does work. It's as if your telling Alexander Graham Bell that the theory of the telephone is flawed because in your neck of the woods, it wouldn't work. Your second post is much better.
FWIW I agree with you about AB. It would and does work there too.
2 vs. 2 Arena: what are we doing wrong?
So my friend and I decided we would give this arena thing a go, he plays a rogue and I play a warlock. He is much more into PvP than I am but I do a few battlegrounds on some nights and on weekends when thare aren't PvE groups going. He is subtlety I am destruction. I know there are better PvP builds than destruction, but I'm not willing to respec just for arena as it is my favorite build to play with, and destruction isn't the worst PvP build either.
We figured rogues and warlocks are pretty feared classes in PvP so together we should do ok in the arena. Well our record is 7 - 13 now and we're getting a little frustrated.
we use teamspeak to coordinate but it seems like once the fight actually begins, things get hectic. We've tried a few different strategies, different pets, different attempts at CC but more often than not we seem to be getting worked.
So far it seems that Blind is working better than my CC as most players have ways of getting out of fear and charm so I switched to using my felhunter from the succubus (my preferred pet). But it seems that before we can get one down, they've both focused on me and I'm dead in 10 seconds.
One thing I think we are doing wrong is we are too defensive and need to rush in guns blazing because once the gates open, he's stealthed so I'm the only obvious target and they go right for me every time.
I'm just looking for thoughts on our composition as an arena team, how well we should expect to do and any tips or strategies we should be using for controling the fight a bit better. Are there any general rules to arena PvP that we should be implimenting like "always kill the healer first as opposed to trying to CC him" or "never wait for them to attack first", etc?|||Does your teammate stay near you so when you are attacked (while he is stealthed), he can help?|||Well he starts out covering me, but if they open up before we call out who's doing what, all hell breaks loose and I'm dead before he can get a kidney shot in. I mean I trust he knows how to PvP his rogue because he spends hours at it every day, so I assumed he's doing everything he can to keep me from getting burned down so fast.|||2v2 is very much based on team make up. Certain teams will have an advantage before the macth even starts due to their class make up. The fact that you have no healing ability probably plays into that a bit. Having a healer can greatly increase your chances of winning.
Don't get frustrated some teams will just have your number as they just can counter your strengths but you will also have that same advantage against other teams. Its just he way pvp in WoW works at the moment. The playing field is by no means equal as it would be in a true PvP game. Since you guys are pure dps and some cc you have to target healers first abd cc any dps until you can get the healer dead.
I run a mage and druid in 2v2 and we are fairly squishy unless he goes into bear form. We work well together but there are some combos that are very difficult for us to beat. We initially got frustrated but now we just deal with it and try our best. Rogue/Pld is an especially hard team for us since rogues are the best anti-caster class right now and pld can basically keep him snare free and can pop that bubble which makes shutting him down impossible for that 10 sec stretch.
If you are new give it a few weeks and you will start to see the changes. As you face new team combos you will start to understand that you have to change tactics on the fly. The more arenas you do the more seasoned you will beome, 7-13 isn't much experience when alot of the guys you are facing have already probably logged a couple hunred arena matches each.|||I play a 2v2 with a rogue also (im a lock). I always run succy for the seduce. Our rogue never goes for sap anymore, didn't work. Most important thing is focus fire. We have different strats for different makeups:
1. Clothy with healer. If the healer is a priest, we'll take him out first them the clothy. If it's a paladin I just cast Curse of Tongues then dps the clothy due to pally bubble. You're just wasting mana if you dps the pally and he bubbles on you.
2. Double Healers (shamans,druids,priests, pallies). this is the hardest groups we have to deal with. CC is your best friend. I do my best to get one of the fear juggled or seduced. If you don't CC one of them, you lose. Basically pick the squish and dps them down.
3. Double Stealthed. this used to be a problem also. The way I counter it is I usually wait 3sec (approx. time a sprinted rogue takes to get behind me) and then cast Howl of Terror. It'll pull them out of stealth and then it's game over. If you're lucky you get both of them. If the Howl of terror didn't work, I'll cast a Rank1 Rain of Fire on myself to keep them out of distance. Usually our rogue will see one by then and then we can start our focus fire.
Other tips:
1. As soon as you pick your focus fire target cast a Death Coil on the other and just keep him feared or seduced. With a rogue you shouldn't be taking dmg from them if one is stunlocked and the other is feared. Even withe destructo spec, cast your DoTs on the feared one just to put some pressure on him. Assist your rogue on first target, then switch over.
Hope this helps.|||Are there any addons that show the portraits of the opponents and their classes in skirmishes?|||Quote:
. Our rogue never goes for sap anymore, didn't work. Most important thing is focus fire. We have different strats for different makeups:
.
Hmmmm..warlock / warrior here..one of us stil gets sappd and its game over a lot...so I wonder why you dont sap.
I REALLY loath stealthies and even hammering iHoT or DC I hardly get out of kidneyshots..mangles or whatnot...|||Quote:
Hmmmm..warlock / warrior here..one of us stil gets sappd and its game over a lot...so I wonder why you dont sap.
I REALLY loath stealthies and even hammering iHoT or DC I hardly get out of kidneyshots..mangles or whatnot...
I've been sapped once. I wait my 3sec and pop HoT. If they arent in range I continually cast a rank1 rain of fire, untill myself or my teammate is able to see him. Rogues can only stand around for so long before they want to attack.|||Whenever i see a healer by himself I assume that a rogue is his partner. I always make a b line with my partner towards him spamming rank 1 aoe and get in combat. This aggressive moves throws most rogues off and they arent able to get a sap off by the time you enter into combat.|||Thanks for the tips, I was able to try a few new things last night. Saccing the voidwalker just before the gates open is a great trick. I also went back to using my succubus.
Dueling each other a few times helped us as well. We were able to show each other our strengths and weakensses which helped us communicate during the actual fights. And before we went back to the arena, I setup keybindings for all my common spells and practiced a few days in normal BG pvp, I had always just used the mouse to click on the hotbar for most of them and just used bindings for my pet commands.
Overall we did much better than our first few attempts so thanks for sharing your tips with me.
We figured rogues and warlocks are pretty feared classes in PvP so together we should do ok in the arena. Well our record is 7 - 13 now and we're getting a little frustrated.
we use teamspeak to coordinate but it seems like once the fight actually begins, things get hectic. We've tried a few different strategies, different pets, different attempts at CC but more often than not we seem to be getting worked.
So far it seems that Blind is working better than my CC as most players have ways of getting out of fear and charm so I switched to using my felhunter from the succubus (my preferred pet). But it seems that before we can get one down, they've both focused on me and I'm dead in 10 seconds.
One thing I think we are doing wrong is we are too defensive and need to rush in guns blazing because once the gates open, he's stealthed so I'm the only obvious target and they go right for me every time.
I'm just looking for thoughts on our composition as an arena team, how well we should expect to do and any tips or strategies we should be using for controling the fight a bit better. Are there any general rules to arena PvP that we should be implimenting like "always kill the healer first as opposed to trying to CC him" or "never wait for them to attack first", etc?|||Does your teammate stay near you so when you are attacked (while he is stealthed), he can help?|||Well he starts out covering me, but if they open up before we call out who's doing what, all hell breaks loose and I'm dead before he can get a kidney shot in. I mean I trust he knows how to PvP his rogue because he spends hours at it every day, so I assumed he's doing everything he can to keep me from getting burned down so fast.|||2v2 is very much based on team make up. Certain teams will have an advantage before the macth even starts due to their class make up. The fact that you have no healing ability probably plays into that a bit. Having a healer can greatly increase your chances of winning.
Don't get frustrated some teams will just have your number as they just can counter your strengths but you will also have that same advantage against other teams. Its just he way pvp in WoW works at the moment. The playing field is by no means equal as it would be in a true PvP game. Since you guys are pure dps and some cc you have to target healers first abd cc any dps until you can get the healer dead.
I run a mage and druid in 2v2 and we are fairly squishy unless he goes into bear form. We work well together but there are some combos that are very difficult for us to beat. We initially got frustrated but now we just deal with it and try our best. Rogue/Pld is an especially hard team for us since rogues are the best anti-caster class right now and pld can basically keep him snare free and can pop that bubble which makes shutting him down impossible for that 10 sec stretch.
If you are new give it a few weeks and you will start to see the changes. As you face new team combos you will start to understand that you have to change tactics on the fly. The more arenas you do the more seasoned you will beome, 7-13 isn't much experience when alot of the guys you are facing have already probably logged a couple hunred arena matches each.|||I play a 2v2 with a rogue also (im a lock). I always run succy for the seduce. Our rogue never goes for sap anymore, didn't work. Most important thing is focus fire. We have different strats for different makeups:
1. Clothy with healer. If the healer is a priest, we'll take him out first them the clothy. If it's a paladin I just cast Curse of Tongues then dps the clothy due to pally bubble. You're just wasting mana if you dps the pally and he bubbles on you.
2. Double Healers (shamans,druids,priests, pallies). this is the hardest groups we have to deal with. CC is your best friend. I do my best to get one of the fear juggled or seduced. If you don't CC one of them, you lose. Basically pick the squish and dps them down.
3. Double Stealthed. this used to be a problem also. The way I counter it is I usually wait 3sec (approx. time a sprinted rogue takes to get behind me) and then cast Howl of Terror. It'll pull them out of stealth and then it's game over. If you're lucky you get both of them. If the Howl of terror didn't work, I'll cast a Rank1 Rain of Fire on myself to keep them out of distance. Usually our rogue will see one by then and then we can start our focus fire.
Other tips:
1. As soon as you pick your focus fire target cast a Death Coil on the other and just keep him feared or seduced. With a rogue you shouldn't be taking dmg from them if one is stunlocked and the other is feared. Even withe destructo spec, cast your DoTs on the feared one just to put some pressure on him. Assist your rogue on first target, then switch over.
Hope this helps.|||Are there any addons that show the portraits of the opponents and their classes in skirmishes?|||Quote:
. Our rogue never goes for sap anymore, didn't work. Most important thing is focus fire. We have different strats for different makeups:
.
Hmmmm..warlock / warrior here..one of us stil gets sappd and its game over a lot...so I wonder why you dont sap.
I REALLY loath stealthies and even hammering iHoT or DC I hardly get out of kidneyshots..mangles or whatnot...|||Quote:
Hmmmm..warlock / warrior here..one of us stil gets sappd and its game over a lot...so I wonder why you dont sap.
I REALLY loath stealthies and even hammering iHoT or DC I hardly get out of kidneyshots..mangles or whatnot...
I've been sapped once. I wait my 3sec and pop HoT. If they arent in range I continually cast a rank1 rain of fire, untill myself or my teammate is able to see him. Rogues can only stand around for so long before they want to attack.|||Whenever i see a healer by himself I assume that a rogue is his partner. I always make a b line with my partner towards him spamming rank 1 aoe and get in combat. This aggressive moves throws most rogues off and they arent able to get a sap off by the time you enter into combat.|||Thanks for the tips, I was able to try a few new things last night. Saccing the voidwalker just before the gates open is a great trick. I also went back to using my succubus.
Dueling each other a few times helped us as well. We were able to show each other our strengths and weakensses which helped us communicate during the actual fights. And before we went back to the arena, I setup keybindings for all my common spells and practiced a few days in normal BG pvp, I had always just used the mouse to click on the hotbar for most of them and just used bindings for my pet commands.
Overall we did much better than our first few attempts so thanks for sharing your tips with me.
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