Ok, this last weekend, it was Arathi Basin 4 times in a row (Sat, Sun, Mon, and Tue) for the "Daily PvP". I've been using the Daily quest as what picks which Battleground I'm going to start doing that day. When I'd done Arathi Basin before, I'd found about a 40% - 50% chance to win, playing Alliance (Ruin battlegroup). However this past weekend, I'd found it to be significantly worse. I had 18 losses on Saturday before I got a single win, final tally for that day was 21 losses, 2 wins. Not to cry or anything about it, but I know the Alliance doesn't suck that much in the battleground. Especially with 5 of those being a final score of Alliance 0 Horde 2000.
The problem I discovered, much to my annoyance, was that there is apparently a completely accepted and regularly used tactic for the Alliance on my battlegroup. It is simple: Let the Horde Win. And not just win, let the Horde cap all 5 nodes and win fast. Interrupting or disrupting this process makes it slower, and people who are using this so-called "strategy" of self-defeatism start to yell at those who, well, want to win. The reasoning for this "strategy" is that three rapid losses is faster than one drawn-out win, so, when farming for Marks of Honor, it becomes something that the people using this "strategy" want to make go faster, rather than slower. They basically, and effectively sabotage the Alliance side (playing as Alliance), to ensure the Horde's rapid victory.
What do I mean by sabotage? Well, there were a few matches where 12 or 13 Alliance people never left the starting building. There were matches where priests, mages, and warlocks were merely meleeing and not casting any spells. Rogues and Warriors doing nothing but ranged attacks. Hunters just letting their pets attack and not doing anything else other than maybe running around a little. People intentionally fighting long and away from the nodes themselves, if they were fighting at all.
All in all, it was disgusting. The Alliance wasn't failing that bad because the Alliance was that bad, the Alliance was failing that bad because there were a number of Alliance players intentionally making the Alliance fail. Heck, there were people talking about making premades both in and out of the battleground just to "farm marks" by failing Arathi Basin, and that anyone who wanted to win, should go to Alterac Valley to get honor or whatever and leave Arathi Basin to the people who want fast Marks of Honor instead.
Has anyone else seen this trend? The intentional sabotaging of your own faction's side just in order to get Marks of Honor faster?|||Quote:
Heck, there were people talking about making premades both in and out of the battleground just to "farm marks" by failing Arathi Basin, and that anyone who wanted to win, should go to Alterac Valley to get honor or whatever and leave Arathi Basin to the people who want fast Marks of Honor instead.
Well, I don't know about your battlegroup, but on mine, I haven't met anyone who'll admit to being in an AV that the alliance won since the 2.3 patch, and very few people have managed more than 80 bonus honor in AV. So I'm sorry, anyone that thinks that AV is fast honor for the alliance hasn't been paying attention lately.
Yeah, this weekend was pretty bad. Christmas day was the worst, I had an EotS where 5 of 15 people that started the BG still had 0 damage, 0 healing at the end of the match, in a match where every tower changed hands.
There's a question, when do you report someone as AFK? One of those 15 people wasn't actually AFK, but would just go get killed every time he/she got flagged as AFK. Someone was actually defending the person, saying that he/she wasn't really AFK, so the person shouldn't be reported.
I'm sorry, I'm bad at PvP, but I don't not try (I bring weapon oil, potions, and all other consumeables), and I don't have any sympathy for anyone that doesn't try. I still reported the person shortly after every death.|||This has been happening in AB for the last couple of months for me now, just lately it has started happening alot in AV, People just seem to want to finish quickly now instead of trying.|||The problem is only getting worse. Horde in my battlegroup and getting massive amounts of honor from AV and in turn buying arena gear a LOT faster than alliance. The better their gear gets, the worse the beatings are in the other battlegrounds, to the stage where many alliance don't even try to compete.
Blizzard really broke PvP with 2.3.|||See, AV is still going strong in my battlegroup. AB is just terrible. And I'm not talking about the AFK'ers, because the people were not AFK. I'm talking about the people who actively seek to see their side lose.|||Quote:
See, AV is still going strong in my battlegroup. AB is just terrible. And I'm not talking about the AFK'ers, because the people were not AFK. I'm talking about the people who actively seek to see their side lose.
Yeah, it's the easist way they can stay there and get their tokens... It makes sense. I don't approve of how they're doing it, but in terms of effort/reward, it makes sense.
At least with AB you've got the option of forming an organised group.|||I didn't make premades, but after 10 straight losses I was pretty much done. The thing is, it wasn't even like we were ruining it for people who wanted to win, since most of the matches were Horde with full players, and Ally with 5-10, most of which had the same mentality as me - lose quick.
Xlorep, what battlegroup are you in?|||Quote:
See, AV is still going strong in my battlegroup. AB is just terrible. And I'm not talking about the AFK'ers, because the people were not AFK. I'm talking about the people who actively seek to see their side lose.
Same with my BG. 75% or higher win rate in AV. The rest is just crap. I farm honor in AV and go to the rest simply for the marks.
EotS surprised me...we went 1-7. Always a surprise to win one. The other I don't know about. Those were the only non-AV marks I needed,|||Quote:
Well, I don't know about your battlegroup, but on mine, I haven't met anyone who'll admit to being in an AV that the alliance won since the 2.3 patch, and very few people have managed more than 80 bonus honor in AV. So I'm sorry, anyone that thinks that AV is fast honor for the alliance hasn't been paying attention lately.
Yes, if horde 'play by the book', alliance wil lose 600-0 or 600-62.
Unfortunately for those horde that do play this way, their queue times went up from 1-2 minutes to 1-2 hours.
On a lot of other battlegroups, both sides are still happily zerg rushing. Both sides get 300ish honour and it's done in 10-15 minutes. Everyone is happy and people requeue fast. Win some, lose some - it's all good.|||Quote:
The problem is only getting worse. Horde in my battlegroup and getting massive amounts of honor from AV and in turn buying arena gear a LOT faster than alliance. The better their gear gets, the worse the beatings are in the other battlegrounds, to the stage where many alliance don't even try to compete.
Blizzard really broke PvP with 2.3.
Same here. We (Alliance) don't play AV any more except for some folks that have to grind AV marks. We hate to see Horde getting 500-600 honor and we get 0 or 20 honor points after 45 minutes of torture.
Our guild pre-made always wins AB but EOS and WSG are like 20% wins.
To the OP, I actually find Horde intent to lose EOS the other day. For two hours, we got 90% games winning in 6 minutes with the horde standing in the starting point doing nothing.
Most BG are pretty hard for alliane on my sever (PVP). For those Alliance folks who can still win in AV, are you on PVE servers?
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